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06-18-2018, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Acting morally according to whom?
Who gets to decide the morality that is correct for all of us this week? And how do we do that?
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I suspect that is up to each of us to decide based on our own moral compass.
The winner gets to write the textbook. Or as Machiavelli wrote far more eloquently:
"Moreover, in the actions of all men, and most of all of Princes, where there is no tribunal to which we can appeal, we look to results. Wherefore if a Prince succeeds in establishing and maintaining his authority, the means will always be judged honourable and be approved by every one."
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06-18-2018, 10:44 PM
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#317
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Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer
what would happen to me if I went into mexico , or canada illegally , and what would happen if I brought children with me?
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I don't know, but if you brought your children with you, it would be immoral to separate them from you.
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06-18-2018, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
I suspect that is up to each of us to decide based on our own moral compass.
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Then why are you insisting that your view is the moral action that we should all follow?
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06-18-2018, 11:15 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer
what does Germanys laws have to do with USA laws?
America first.
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The Juden Laws?
Yeah, really good example of a moral authority.'
The moral authority HERE is that theses parents are using their children as shields and if back fired on them.
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06-18-2018, 11:20 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by highnote
That's the trillion dollar question.
I suspect that many would like to fix the problem but are outgunned by government security forces.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/barrica...rol-1529314200
Sun Tzu wrote in his book "The Art of War" that when you are outnumbered it is better to retreat and live to fight again another day.
If you know you can't win the war then why not retreat to America, regroup, and live to fight another day?
When faced with the choice of being hated by some U.S. citizens or being killed by government soldiers in your home country, coming to America is a rational choice and perhaps the lessor of two evils. |
Yep, that lack of a right to be armed, can be a bitch.
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06-18-2018, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Then why are you insisting that your view is the moral action that we should all follow?
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Because it is obviously wrong to separate children from their parents.
Since you and others here think it is OK for children to be separated from the parents maybe you will like to listen to cries of the children:
https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ent=1529351580
This is one policy of Trump's that is going to fail miserably. From what I have read there is nothing illegal about people trying to gain asylum into the U.S. The children of parents who are trying to gain asylum should not be separated.
Billy Graham's son, a Trump supporter is critical of this bad policy:
http://wamc.org/post/faith-leaders-o...ildren-parents
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06-18-2018, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Then why are you insisting that your view is the moral action that we should all follow?
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The answer is in post #312 "if you don't like it go suck an egg  "
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06-18-2018, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Because it is obviously wrong to separate children from their parents.
Since you and others here think it is OK for children to be separated from the parents maybe you will like to listen to cries of the children:
https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ent=1529351580
This is one policy of Trump's that is going to fail miserably. From what I have read there is nothing illegal about people trying to gain asylum into the U.S. The children of parents who are trying to gain asylum should not be separated.
Billy Graham's son, a Trump supporter is critical of this bad policy:
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You are ridiculous. 
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06-18-2018, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Because it is obviously wrong to separate children from their parents.
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These "parents" entered the country illegally. That's first and foremost. If a parent enters my home without permission, I'm pressing charges. If they're stupid enough to bring their kids along, they DESERVE to be separated from their kids. Not what I would term a "responsible" parent
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06-18-2018, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Children are being treated cruelly and immorally. That is punishment.
They are NOT being treated cruelly or immorally by us. That is just your opinion. The parents acted cruelly and immorally towards them. What do you think happens to kids in the US when their parents to to jail?
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According to me it is immoral for one to obey laws that one feels are immoral.
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Then don't.
And don't try to speak for those who think they are enforcing the just laws of the land. You are not their spokesman.
btwe - how many kid are YOU taking in?
And paying to support?
FORCING taxpayers to pay for their support is immoral
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Because it is obviously wrong to separate children from their parents.
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So you know better than Child-Services? You would force kids who are beaten by their parents to stay with them?
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06-18-2018, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
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You're entitled to your opinion. But I'll take my chances by being on the side of Laura Bush, Billy Graham's son and others.
I will always fight for the rights of children and against child abuse -- which is what Trump's policy amounts to.
He is using innocent children as pawns as the means to achieve his ends. He's stooped pretty low in the past, but this is a new low. It amazes me that people actually support a policy that is abusive to innocent children.
Remember that -- these children are INNOCENT!
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06-18-2018, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ElKabong
These "parents" entered the country illegally. That's first and foremost. If a parent enters my home without permission, I'm pressing charges. If they're stupid enough to bring their kids along, they DESERVE to be separated from their kids. Not what I would term a "responsible" parent
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They may deserve to be separated from their kids, but their kids are INNOCENT and therefore do NOT deserve to be punished and abused by separating them from their parents.
It amazes me that so many of you can be so callous and nonchalant about the pain these kids are suffering. God have mercy on anyone who will not fight for the justice of innocent children.
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06-18-2018, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
They may deserve to be separated from their kids, but their kids are INNOCENT and therefore do NOT deserve to be punished and abused by separating them from their parents.
It amazes me that so many of you can be so callous and nonchalant about the pain these kids are suffering. God have mercy on anyone who will not fight for justice for innocent children.
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06-18-2018, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
When are you going to stop blaming the children and letting them be punished for something they have no control over?
As for the parents, some may have legitimate grounds to be granted asylum. Others might not. It sounds like there are laws and procedures in place that allow parents to state their cases.
In the meantime, no good can come from punishing children by separating them from parents.
It is cruel and immoral. It is hard for me to believe this is actually going on in a predominantly Christian nation. It is harder still for me to believe some people believe separating innocent children from their parents is the right thing to do. Watching this unfold is heartbreaking.
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06-18-2018, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Your a broken recorder... action have consequences.
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Maybe I'm a broken recorder, but I am just repeating the truth over and over. I will always fight for the rights of innocent children.
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