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10-23-2012, 07:57 PM
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Pell grants are investment in the nation's growth. A kid who wouldn't have otherwise gone to a community college or technical school has the potentail of costing the tax payer much more in welfare to live, jail time, etc etc. With the pell grant the country gets back an educated person who has the potential to get a decent job and pay taxes.
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10-23-2012, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jognlope
Pell grants are investment in the nation's growth. A kid who wouldn't have otherwise gone to a community college or technical school has the potentail of costing the tax payer much more in welfare to live, jail time, etc etc. With the pell grant the country gets back an educated person who has the potential to get a decent job and pay taxes.
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In theory, it's a wonderful sounding plan. Unfortunately, the theoretical runs into reality from time to time and the two have to reach a compromise.
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10-23-2012, 07:59 PM
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He and Ryan also want to get rid of the student loan bill that makes loan payments 5-10% of one's monthly income, no matter what school or what cost you incurred.
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I can't find evidence to that anywhere. Can ya help a poor brotha out with a linkiepoo?
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10-23-2012, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jognlope
Pell grants are investment in the nation's growth. A kid who wouldn't have otherwise gone to a community college or technical school has the potentail of costing the tax payer much more in welfare to live, jail time, etc etc. With the pell grant the country gets back an educated person who has the potential to get a decent job and pay taxes.
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That sounds terribly racist to these ears...or eyes...
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10-23-2012, 08:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jognlope
Pell grants are investment in the nation's growth. A kid who wouldn't have otherwise gone to a community college or technical school has the potentail of costing the tax payer much more in welfare to live, jail time, etc etc. With the pell grant the country gets back an educated person who has the potential to get a decent job and pay taxes.
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Bullshit!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...159829896.html
Those Pell Grant types only get a 4 yr degree 40% of the time.
Those who do not receive Pell grants? 60%
Pell grants are welfare for 60 % of those who get free cash. 6 failures out of ten.
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10-23-2012, 08:22 PM
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10-23-2012, 08:26 PM
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That's right.
And why make such a big deal of educating the youth in the first place?
It's not like we have jobs waiting for them when they get out of school...
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Plenty of jobs
If we taught Indian English & proper phone etiquette.
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10-23-2012, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
That's right.
And why make such a big deal of educating the youth in the first place?
It's not like we have jobs waiting for them when they get out of school...
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Why is it that there so many world class Universities in the U.S; yet, the k-12 educational system is an embarrassment?
Could the reason be that Higher Ed is more privatized?
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10-23-2012, 10:05 PM
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Who cares if class sizes are too big
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Teachers sure do, but screw them right. And the parents of the students should also.
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10-23-2012, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by maddog42
PS I am not so naive to think that Obama hasn't made false/misleading statements, just fewer.
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Fewer than who? The "father of lies", perhaps? I could concede that argument.
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10-23-2012, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jognlope
Pell grants are investment in the nation's growth. A kid who wouldn't have otherwise gone to a community college or technical school has the potentail of costing the tax payer much more in welfare to live, jail time, etc etc. With the pell grant the country gets back an educated person who has the potential to get a decent job and pay taxes.
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Oh...you mean like all the college grads now who cannot find work in a field in which they majored?
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10-23-2012, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker
Teachers sure do, but screw them right. And the parents of the students should also.
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I'll go to bat for Fischer here since he doesn't live in the cellar with us and take a guess that the entirety of that post of his was sarcasm.
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10-23-2012, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
I'll go to bat for Fischer here since he doesn't live in the cellar with us and take a guess that the entirety of that post of his was sarcasm.
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How can you be so sure?
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10-23-2012, 10:37 PM
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How can you be so sure?
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I said it was a guess.
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10-23-2012, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
I'll go to bat for Fischer here since he doesn't live in the cellar with us and take a guess that the entirety of that post of his was sarcasm.
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I was actually hoping it was sarcastic, but it would have helped with the emoticon for sure.
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