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09-21-2010, 11:11 AM
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class relief: Grade 1 winner Presious Passion returns
Wednesday at Del Park
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09-21-2010, 04:20 PM
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Q: How does one train a front running turf marathoner for a prep race such as this one?
A: Go with two long works.
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Presious Passion
03/05/2003 G Royal Anthem Princesa's Passion
09/14/2010 MTH 8F 1:44.20 Dirt Good B
09/08/2010 MTH 5F 1:04.00 Dirt Fast B
Should be enough right
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09-21-2010, 04:25 PM
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When top class ones come back in what appears to be an almost WALK OVER situation, it is a double edged sword to stay away from. They aren't going to push and they are usually under-laid big time....
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09-22-2010, 06:49 PM
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Looks like he won't be the same horse anymore.
Presious Passion relinquished the lead on the backside and hung on for fourth.
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9th Race
Next Post 5:24 Off: 4:57 | 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | 3 Year Olds And Up | Allowance Optional Claiming ($65,000) | Purse: $42,350
# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
1 Mikoshi Jara F 117 6.60 4.20 2.80
3 Hugo Napravnik A R 117 3.80 3.80
4 Silver Eagle Saez G 117 6.40
Times in 100ths: :23.04 :46.72 1:09.70 1:34.51 1:40.86
Scratched: March to Victory and Safety Valve
Also ran: Presious Passion, Crimson Comic and Colonel Rutledge
Winning Trainer: Matz Michael R - Owner: Matsumoto, Ltd.
$2 Exacta (OFF TRACK 1-3) Paid $23.00
$2 Exacta (ON TRACK 1-3) Paid $25.60
$2 Trifecta (1-3-4) Paid $225.20
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09-22-2010, 08:47 PM
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I am still unsure whether to conclude he just couldn't keep up when he was getting overtaken or was being given a workout snag by the rider. He seemed to be full of confidence and looked like a king compared to the others in the paddock.
I didn't think he was in Del Park to win, but I had a bittersweet moment collecting a token bet on his loss. I hope he can win a few more big races because his running style is so exciting for a classic distance turf racer.
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09-22-2010, 09:03 PM
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That trip to Dubai might have been a bad idea.
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09-22-2010, 09:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
That trip to Dubai might have been a bad idea.
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I don't have any grounds for my opinion except a terrible memory, but it seems like not many American trainers are able to take their champions to and fro successfully, whether to France, GB or Dubai--Curlin is the (single big race) exception that proves the rule. I would love to learn the angles of long distance success--it would be great to know when the next Daylami or Goldikova is coming around.
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09-22-2010, 10:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jldonah
I don't have any grounds for my opinion except a terrible memory, but it seems like not many American trainers are able to take their champions to and fro successfully, whether to France, GB or Dubai--Curlin is the (single big race) exception that proves the rule. I would love to learn the angles of long distance success--it would be great to know when the next Daylami or Goldikova is coming around.
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Plenty more horses have returned and done just fine, especially dirt horses. It has been a long time since any of our decent turf horses did anything overseas.
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09-22-2010, 10:21 PM
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That's a reassuring response. Too much doom and gloom about US racing so reality will buoy us up during the storm.
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09-22-2010, 10:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jldonah
I don't have any grounds for my opinion except a terrible memory, but it seems like not many American trainers are able to take their champions to and fro successfully, whether to France, GB or Dubai--Curlin is the (single big race) exception that proves the rule. I would love to learn the angles of long distance success--it would be great to know when the next Daylami or Goldikova is coming around.
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This is just an opinion, but the Europeans are so much better than we are on turf, that it's not a surprise our horses usually struggle when racing in Europe. Not being able to use Lasix is probably a factor also.
Dubai is another issue. A lot of horses come back a shell of their former selves and I don't think anyone really knows why, other than the long trip.
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09-22-2010, 10:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jldonah
That's a reassuring response. Too much doom and gloom about US racing so reality will buoy us up during the storm.
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After re-reading my own post to CJ's response, I realize some will think I was trying to be a sarcastic smartass. Not at all the intention...mea culpa.
Last edited by jldonah; 09-22-2010 at 10:42 PM.
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09-23-2010, 12:26 AM
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Gio Ponti is a recent example of a North American returning from Dubai to run well, but he isn't as good as he used to be. How did Silver Charm do when he got back?
There's others...but I can't think of any.
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09-23-2010, 12:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour
Gio Ponti is a recent example of a North American returning from Dubai to run well, but he isn't as good as he used to be. How did Silver Charm do when he got back?
There's others...but I can't think of any.
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The Usual QT is about the same.
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09-23-2010, 12:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Knight_Sky
Looks like he won't be the same horse anymore.
Presious Passion relinquished the lead on the backside and hung on for fourth.
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9th Race
Next Post 5:24 Off: 4:57 | 1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | 3 Year Olds And Up | Allowance Optional Claiming ($65,000) | Purse: $42,350
# Horse Jockey Weight Win Place Show
1 Mikoshi Jara F 117 6.60 4.20 2.80
3 Hugo Napravnik A R 117 3.80 3.80
4 Silver Eagle Saez G 117 6.40
Times in 100ths: :23.04 :46.72 1:09.70 1:34.51 1:40.86
Scratched: March to Victory and Safety Valve
Also ran: Presious Passion, Crimson Comic and Colonel Rutledge
Winning Trainer: Matz Michael R - Owner: Matsumoto, Ltd.
$2 Exacta (OFF TRACK 1-3) Paid $23.00
$2 Exacta (ON TRACK 1-3) Paid $25.60
$2 Trifecta (1-3-4) Paid $225.20
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That's a very fast race for Delaware, no? There was a 1 1/16 maiden race earlier that went 5 seconds slower.
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09-23-2010, 02:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by affirmedny
That's a very fast race for Delaware, no? There was a 1 1/16 maiden race earlier that went 5 seconds slower.
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oh yeah they were motoring for sure. Think the days of that one running off by hisself are gonna be few and far between from here on out. Even if he hasn't lost a step, the way to beat him is with a team running at him in stages and very few have been all that willing to take up the chase. But that has changed. It will be good for racing though. Standardbreds have some sort of rule against going too slow I think? One thing they do use at the trots is a timer which displays the splits
for all the drivers to see.
So much for the old adage..."he's got a clock in his head"
What do you think? How on earth can the quickest horse in the race get ahead of all the others and then slow things way down, and still be leading the race......you will hear Dirken for example saying how perfectly content that horse sitting back in fourth is, next thing you know, that phony pace has ruined his chances.
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