School shooting in Parkland Florida

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

The mic drop thing was to the tweet dissing Trump...think our signals are crossing here...

Anyway, yeah, it's pretty jarring to hear that about the deputy who backed off, but it's not a complete shock to hear something like that happened.

Oh.. yeah... that tweet actually is kinda funny.

The second thing though... Yeah... it's pretty shocking.

Random redneck in Texas stops shooting with his AR truck gun. Trained deputy with 20+ years of experience does nothing... and people wonder why others get firearms for their protection.

[barahona44]

There were school resource officers in the school system where I taught, usually two at a time.Some were good at engaging with the students, others were outstanding at drinking coffee in the staff room or yakking with their fellow officers who stopped by in the patrol cars in the school parking lot...

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by barahona44

There were school resource officers in the school system where I taught, usually two at a time.Some were good at engaging with the students, others were outstanding at drinking coffee in the staff room or yakking with their fellow officers who stopped by in the patrol cars in the school parking lot...

The officer in question was outside the building at the time. Is that a usual or unusual thing?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Oh.. yeah... that tweet actually is kinda funny.

The second thing though... Yeah... it's pretty shocking.

Random redneck in Texas stops shooting with his AR truck gun. Trained deputy with 20+ years of experience does nothing... and people wonder why others get firearms for their protection.

Cop had nothing but his sidearm, right?

Vegas cops didn't immediately storm Paddock's room...and although took heat for that from public and media...apparently it wasn't SOP to do so?

So solo cop, outgunned, was supposed to enter a school building enveloped in chaos with kids and teachers running everywhere, not knowing if there is more than one shooter...sounds kinda like a suicide mission to this civilian...but apparently, that is what he was supposed to do...no backup...according to the sheriff anyway...

Like I said, I'm not all that shocked...

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Cop had nothing but his service revolver, right?

Vegas cops didn't immediately storm Paddock's room...and although took heat for that from public and media...apparently it wasn't SOP to do so?

So solo cop, outgunned, was supposed to enter a school building enveloped in chaos with kids and teachers running everywhere, to go one on one with a guy with an AR-15...sounds kinda like a suicide mission to this civilian...but apparently, that is what he was supposed to do...no backup...according to the sheriff anyway...

Like I said, I'm not all that shocked...

Yes he should have gone in. He's likely carrying a M&P, P226, 1911 or something like that. In a building I'd take my chances with one of those, my 25 years firearm experience, and tens if not hundred of thousands of rounds against a kid whose played too much Call of Duty.

Of course you would go in. I want to be very careful to not shit on people in the uniform, my step brother recently made Captain, but **** yes he should have entered.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Yes he should have gone in. He's like carrying a M&P, P226, 1911 or something like that.

Of course you would go in.

I revised my post and switched to sidearm...service revolver is so old school.

Plus I added that he had no knowledge how many shooters were inside...sounds like a tall order for one cop in that situation.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I revised my post and switched to sidearm...service revolver is so old school.

Plus I added that he had no knowledge how many shooters were inside...sounds like a tall order for one cop in that situation.

He called in the description of the shooter.

This is not some insurmountable task due to the almighty power of the AR15 (sarcasm implied)... in a building a trained cop should be light years ahead of a kid with his sidearm.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The officer in question was outside the building at the time. Is that a usual or unusual thing?

They were under the supervision of the police department,not the school administration.Based on what we were told, the department wanted them to be inside the building if there were any problems.The concern wasn't so much outsiders (this program started pre-Colombine)as much as trying to curb gang issues, which was a legitimate concern at the time and also being a backup presence in case things got out of hand.I would also think there might have been an "Officer Friendly" aspect to it but I don't know how official that was.But there was one officer in particular who would go out back a lot (my classroom was one of the few that the parking lot was in view) and he would spend time talking with cops in a patrol car that swung by.My staff would go on their break and inevitably he would be in the staff room drinking coffee."Isn't he supposed to be patrolling the halls"?, they would ask me.Anyway, he was older than the others, who were mostly in their 30's and this may have been giving a veteran officer an easy job in his last years.The officers rotated among the city's 4 high schools and 7 middle schools, so I don't know where he ended up the next year.By the time I retired in 2014, it had pretty much ended due to budget issues.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by barahona44

They were under the supervision of the police department,not the school administration.Based on what we were told, the department wanted them to be inside the building if there were any problems.The concern wasn't so much outsiders (this program started pre-Colombine)as much as trying to curb gang issues, which was a legitimate concern at the time and also being a backup presence in case things got out of hand.I would also think there might have been an "Officer Friendly" aspect to it but I don't know how official that was.But there was one officer in particular who would go out back a lot (my classroom was one of the few that the parking lot was in view) and he would spend time talking with cops in a patrol car that swung by.My staff would go on their break and inevitably he would be in the staff room drinking coffee."Isn't he supposed to be patrolling the halls"?, they would ask me.Anyway, he was older than the others, who were mostly in their 30's and this may have been giving a veteran officer an easy job in his last years.The officers rotated among the city's 4 high schools and 7 middle schools, so I don't know where he ended up the next year.By the time I retired in 2014, it had pretty much ended due to budget issues.

When I did it in the mid 90’s the above was my day.

But this was pre Columbine etc. we rotated the duty. I did it 2-3 days a month. Most places have officers who are permanently assigned now

Btw, the latest training is to rush right in and confront these guys because they usually give up immediately or kill themselves.
Good guys with a gun have stopped this before by using those tactics

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

He called in the description of the shooter.

This is not some insurmountable task due to the almighty power of the AR15 (sarcasm implied)... in a building a trained cop should be light years ahead of a kid with his sidearm.

Contrary to popular belief, inside a building the way schools are designed the cop who probably has a 9mm pistol with spare loaded magazines is not outgunned by an AR-15. In fact in a confined space you can maneuver and aim the pistol easier than a rifle. Also the cop is professionally trained in marksmanship, tactics and most likely is wearing a bullet proof vest. He is going against a teenager running around randomly shooting people armed with a hard to conceal rifle. He isn't 1/2 mile away from some guy dug in with a 50 cal sniper rifle and a spotter. Advantage cop.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Contrary to popular belief, inside a building the way schools are designed the cop who probably has a 9mm pistol with spare loaded magazines is not outgunned by an AR-15. In fact in a confined space you can maneuver and aim the pistol easier than a rifle. Also the cop is professionally trained in marksmanship, tactics and most likely is wearing a bullet proof vest. He is going against a teenager running around randomly shooting people armed with a hard to conceal rifle. He isn't 1/2 mile away from some guy dug in with a 50 cal sniper rifle and a spotter. Advantage cop.

Yup...makes total sense to me when put that way.

[boxcar]

Over in the Socialist Union of Western Europe (a/k/a EU) where terrorism abounds, the socialist leaders tell their citizens after a terrorist attack that they should just adapt and move on because this is the new norm. In other words, this is the latest reality in the world.

How come, then, our far left socialist leaders in this country are not singing out of the same hymnal as their EU brethren when it comes to "terror" in our schools? Just tell the parents and kids, this is the new norm and that this new reality is that murderers have abolished gun-free zones in schools a long time ago, so it's a wee bit late to looking for those horses (the good ol' days) that have escaped from the barn quite a while ago. Everyone should just adapt to the new reality and get professional armed good guys into the schools to help mitigate the evil of the bad guys and save lives.

[lamboguy]

you don't hear of to many shooters going into the schools of Vermont and shooting them up because almost everyone there has a gun and the gunman doesn't want to get stopped out.

instead of trying to prohibit guns, they should be encouraging people to keep themselves armed to the hilt. instead of 300 million guns in this country, we need at least double that to keep the peace properly. if the people had the guns that Cruz kid would have never gotten 17 people. he probably would have never walked into that school.

the worst of this ordeal came out that they had a retired cop that was in the school working security, heard the shots and sat on his ass and wouldn't go in the school. he was paid to guard the place and dixied out like a chicken.

[PaceAdvantage]

Three months ago, a gunman shot up a church in rural Texas killing a lot of people...you don't think folks in Texas are carrying firearms?

Your Vermont theory doesn't really hold much water given what happened in Texas recently.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

you don't hear of to many shooters going into the schools of Vermont and shooting them up because almost everyone there has a gun and the gunman doesn't want to get stopped out.

He doesn't? What does he "want" after shooting up a school, to go on a Caribbean cruise?