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Originally Posted by mostpost
Your excellent analogy is stupid beyond belief. The United States is not a lifeboat. It is a country; the most powerful country on the face of the earth. Yet, there are men and women in this country-members of and supporters of the Trump administration-who are so frightened of children that they put them in cages.
What would I do in your contrived scenario? I would hope that I would jump out of the boat, into to water and put as many children as I safely could into the lifeboat. I know my father, and I am more certain of him than of myself.
He would do the same thing I would. Interesting that your ship has only one lifeboat.
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Ahh...you did betray your stupidity. I didn't see this post. So, let me get on with it.
But you are right: The U.S. literally isn't a lifeboat -- but the point of a
comparative analogy is to
liken one thing to another. So, yes, I likened the U.S. to a lifeboat -- a very appropriate analogy on multiple levels. For example, I have to think that many of the people who were "drowning" in the sea of corruption, poverty, drugs and violence in their own "S-HOLE" country view this country as a
lifesaver -- like a lifeboat, if you will. They want to leave their country in which they are
drowning to flee to here to be
saved (apparently their only lifeboat in the world).
Also, the power of the U.S., per se, is not the issue in this immigration problem. The U.S., like any other country, is finite and has finite resources. Apparently, you haven't gotten the memo that the entire world is on the brink of disaster due to overpopulation. Generally speaking, and according to globalists and environmentalists (forgive the redundancy), the problem of overpopulation is one of
sustainability (you're familiar with this very popular leftist term, right?). The world at large can only sustain so many people. Well...if this is true of the planet, then it's also true of every nation on the planet. The U.S. therefore, could be
likened to a lifeboat because like a lifeboat, we can sustain only so many people.
So...the fact is....the U.S. just can't take in an unlimited number of people from other countries. We cannot sustain endless numbers on multiple levels also. Not even in terms of raw population. Even Hcap admitted that some guy who came up with a "brilliant" 5-point social engineering scheme -- that his plan will only slow down population growth. It won't reduce it. So, Hcap is all in favor of implementing this brainiac's plan just to postpone the inevitable. But just as none us holds Open House to feed and shelter all the homeless in the area because we know our homes and our personal resources won't be able to sustain the load,
likewise our nation cannot sustain an open, borderless immigration policy.
Given the points I have just laid out, anyone with an IQ larger than his or her belt size can see that my analogy is logically rock-solid.
But is there a
right way in dealing with the lifeboat problem? Yes, there is! There is a right way because there is a
biblical way. In fact, there are in this kind of situation
biblical principles in play. I'm not going to elaborate on them here because this isn't the Religious thread. I'll only briefly list them. If you disagree with any of them, then make your argument in the Religious thread.
Ironically, and very much to the chagrin on bleeding heart liberals like yourself, Mr. Mosty, the over-arching biblical principle that would control and actually dictate proper course of action is
LOVE. But you say..."Well, how can that be"? You will no doubt accuse me are co-opting a huge leftist talking point -- like some yo-yo in congress who kept mindlessly repeating, "Love the kids, Mr. President. Love the kids. Love the kids." The left thinks it has a mortal lock on love. And they do, in a sense. This is good news for the left. But the bad news...the really bad news for leftys is that their love is worldly, fleshly in nature -- it's not biblical love. It's not love as the bible defines it.
So, what would be the proper course of action if someone made it into a lifeboat with his entire family and people all around him and his family are drowning because the boat has a very finite capacity? The biblical and natural intuitive response is this overarching principle:
Love Your Own. I call this the First Principle of Love. Love Your Own. In other words:
Love Those with Whom You Are in a Personal Relationship. And this first principle is well supported in scripture. And this principle doesn't mean that we can't love others, as well, but we love our own
first. Love has Priorities. Here are the biblical principles that support this First Law of Love, if you will.
1. God loves his own. His love for His adopted family, who he has brought into a saving relationship with Himself through Jesus, is
conditioned on the perfect obedience of His Son, even the obedience unto death on the Cross. The evidence in the bible is beyond abundant: God loves and shows favor only to those
WHO ARE IN a personal FAMILIAL relationship with Him.
This idea of family is central to properly understanding the true nature of God's love. God loves his family so much that he refuses to leave any family member in his blind, dark, sinful condition; rather, he sanctifies them with the Holy Spirit and his Word in order to conform them more and more to the image of His only Begotten Son.
2. God expects biological families to love like he does. Mothers and Fathers are to love their children. Likewise, children are expected to reciprocate that love back to their parents. (Alll this applies with equal force to adoptive families or foster families.)
3. Familial Love extends to God's extended family, i.e. all his covenant people -- to all those with whom he has brought into a personal covenant, spiritual relationship with himself. The Jews, under the Old Covenant, were enjoined, under the Law of Moses, to love their fellow Jews in a very special way, i.e. as
covenant brothers and sisters.
Likewise, the NT enjoins Christians to love one another, as brothers and sisters
in the Lord. And to be "in the Lord" means to be in the New Covenant relationship with God through Christ.
Christians, then, are to first and foremost love God, love their own biological family, love their Church family and lastly love their neighbor, i.e. anyone with whom they come into personal contact. These are the precise priorities of love. And there is not one single text in scripture that teaches that God loves each and every person in the world in a distributive sense or that God's people are obligated to love each and every person in the world in a distributive sense.
Therefore, given what we have learned, the only proper course of action to the lifeboat crisis is, that if I were were put into that situation, I would not think twice about saving my family. My moral obligation is first of all to obey God, and therefore, I must save my own family before thinking about saving anyone else. This does not mean I would be happy to see others die. It would only mean that I would have no other
biblical recourse. And I truly believe that each and every
honest person here would also
intuitively know that this would be the only proper response to this kind of horrible situation: You Love Your Own First.
Whether Trump is consciously aware of it or not, his slogan "Make America Great Again" actually implies the First Principle of Love. He's viewing America and, therefore, Americans as
his extended family. Trump is looking out for his OWN! He wants his "family" to prosper, to grow, to succeed, to flourish, to be all that they can be. His family is his top priority, and rightfully so! And this biblical mindset does not make him or his supporters isolationists. It simply orders his priorities. We can do good to our "neighbors" in the world, as long as it does not bring harm to our own family. But our neighbors on this planet
should not be our top priority.
As Bill Clinton himself admitted many years ago, unlimited immigration would be very harmful to our society on different levels. It would be harmful to our resources, it would harm our economy, it would be disastrous to our culture, etc. There's nothing wrong with a sensible, rational policy to immigration. Trump wants a merit-based policy because he knows that would be best for his "family". He, thinks so highly of his "family" that he wants to make sure that high quality neighbors move in next store to us. He wants to attract the very best to come to our shores. And I think by "the very best" he means primarily --
best in character. He doesn't want criminal types. Or freeloaders. Or lazy people. Or people who don't want to assimilate into our culture -- into the American way of life. Since he knows that we're the best country on this planet, he doesn't want to attract anything less than the best. (And I'm sure his business sense is telling him this also.)
So, Mr. Mosty, if you disagree with the biblical principle of Love I have laid out, I invite you to come over to the Religious thread. I would welcome the opportunity to show you The Way.
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