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01-28-2018, 06:15 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Better than dope and can't be tested for.
If this is it, fry the bastard.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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01-28-2018, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
It could well be the business of the owners, the most important customer in the sport. 
When a top employee doesn't just get fired but banned from all their tracks, then it's likely this wasn't a small mistake he made but instead something quite wrong and purposeful.
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As long as this "business" is kept a secret from the fool on the grandstand...then the NYRA is doing its job. 
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01-28-2018, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
As long as this "business" is kept a secret from the fool on the grandstand...then the NYRA is doing its job. |
That makes no sense. I can agree with you calling bettors fools, but why do you assume the reason the person responsible for writing races getting banned from NYRA tracks is something that shouldn't be released?
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01-28-2018, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.
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Couldn't they just enter and if it looked to tough, scratch and enter again in 3-5 days? or run half a$$ed and make the form look bad for next race?
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01-28-2018, 11:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
the people that access to the computer at the racing secretary's office had a big edge. they knew who was entering in a race and if they thought they couldn't beat a horse they would hold off on entering their horse and wait for a softer spot. things like this can happen when the purses are this big. i am sure this goes on in other places too.
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Can't trainers do this anyway just by scratching, or do you have to have a legit reason for scratching...? I know lots of times one half of the entry will scratch for no apparent reason given other than "trainer scratch"...
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01-28-2018, 11:12 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Can't trainers do this anyway just by scratching, or do you have to have a legit reason for scratching...? I know lots of times one half of the entry will scratch for no apparent reason given other than "trainer scratch"...
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There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.
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01-28-2018, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.
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Like what kind...monetary, days...? The devil is in the details 
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01-28-2018, 11:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Like what kind...monetary, days...? The devil is in the details |
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
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01-28-2018, 11:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
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Thanks for the info..good to know...also, if you are listed as an also-eligible and there is a scratch lower down, does the racing office give you the option of running or not to run...?
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01-28-2018, 11:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
There are penalties for scratching outside of stakes racing.
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Barry Abrams must have paid them monthly. When he had a sharp horse, if he didn't like the field, he'd be gone, and 3 days later, be entered again.
It was a killer angle years ago.
Edit: Just read a post about 10 days to re-enter. I can guarantee you that wasn't the case in Cal. 10 years ago. Either that, or it didn't apply to Barry Abrams........which might be the case. Guy had his fingers in everything down there it seemed.
Last edited by ultracapper; 01-28-2018 at 11:35 PM.
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01-29-2018, 06:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
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In Louisiana it's 3 days starting the following day. Often in NY you see a trainer have two starters in a short field, and scratch one to let the race go. It is so blatantly obvious what the intentions were at entry time, yet the office took the entry anyway. Same culprits do it all the time.
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01-29-2018, 10:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
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How does Linda Rice run a horse?
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01-29-2018, 10:28 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
How does Linda Rice run a horse?
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I guess she just waits it out. She certainly scratches way, way more than your typical trainer.
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01-29-2018, 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
Why should the NYRA comment any further on this? This isn't any business of the betting customer who keeps this game alive. |
This now makes him eligible to be employed at Penn right?
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01-29-2018, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
usually you have to wait 10 days before you can re-enter for a race. every racing office honors it too.
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NYRA is a bit more lenient due to weather conditions etc especially in the winter months.
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