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Blenheim · 02-02-2019, 10:48 AM

Chad Brown, Eclipse Award Winner for Outstanding Trainer three years running, no doubt has this horse workin' under the radar somewheres . . . I've been searching, but I haven't seen him surface on the work tab. He has to come up at some point, as time is runnin' short.

On the Champagne Stakes winner, the trainer and jockey provided a few comments. “His pedigree may not limit him how far he can go,” Brown said. “He’s just a rare horse, exceptional horse.” “Everybody said he’s bred to be a sprinter, he proved everybody wrong,” said Ortiz, who won four races on Saturday’s card. “He could go a mile, he did it in good fashion . . . I think he can do the mile and a sixteenth, but that will probably be as far as he wants to go.”

His Pedigree

PowerUpPaynter · 02-02-2019, 12:12 PM

Could be thinking of about another horse but didn't he race after that and lay an egg?

f2tornado · 02-03-2019, 11:36 AM

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Could be thinking of about another horse but didn't he race after that and lay an egg?

Tanked the Breeders Cup Juvenile. Maybe he's fragile. He's by a one and done sire and out of an unraced mare.

Robert Fischer · 02-03-2019, 05:28 PM

Complexity struck me as a precocious horse, but hope to see him back racing and healthy. Also interested in the other KS stables BCJuv horse (Standard Deviation or do I have them mixed up? One of those mental model names that KS picks...). He actually has some works since the BCJuv, and I remember comparing him physically to Complexity who had a lot more muscle. I'd like to see if he put on some weight.

King for a Day is another who has dropped off the map. Todd Pletcher, ran a somewhat under-the-radar solid race vs. grain in the KYJC and 'poof'...

the little guy · 02-04-2019, 09:33 AM

I remember reading he had a minor issue out of the BC and would be pointed to sprint Stakes later in the year ( presumably the Woody Stephens and Allen Jerkens ). I don't know his timetable but I think he's expected back sometime reasonably soon.

I saw a recent workout between Network Effect and Standard Deviation and assume they are both getting ready to start their 3YO campaigns. Network Effect is of particular interest to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a major Derby player.

Blenheim · 02-04-2019, 11:45 AM

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I remember reading he had a minor issue out of the BC and would be pointed to sprint Stakes later in the year ( presumably the Woody Stephens and Allen Jerkens ). I don't know his timetable but I think he's expected back sometime reasonably soon.

I saw a recent workout between Network Effect and Standard Deviation and assume they are both getting ready to start their 3YO campaigns. Network Effect is of particular interest to me. I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a major Derby player.

Thanks for the info on Complexity, I wish him well.

I took a quick look at Network Effect and Standard Deviation, saw they worked in company a couple of times down there in Florida . . . looks like Chad is gearin' em' up. I'm gonna be giving these two a closer look.

the little guy · 02-06-2019, 05:29 PM

Standard Deviation is in a NW1X on Saturday at Gulfstream, 10th race.

Robert Fischer · 02-08-2019, 01:32 PM

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Standard Deviation is in a NW1X on Saturday at Gulfstream, 10th race.

Fairly cool race in general.

the little guy · 02-08-2019, 02:03 PM

Complexity worked 3F at Stonestreet this morning.

Robert Fischer · 02-08-2019, 08:35 PM

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Complexity worked 3F at Stonestreet this morning.

speak of the devil...

Robert Fischer · 02-09-2019, 04:43 PM

wow 3/5 early on the

Global Campaign...

I thought the public might overbet Brown here, but they went the other way...

I always root for local Sagamore Farm, but not today. If the odds stay in this pattern I will simply use the 4 others.

Standard Deviation is very possibly the best horse in here and still has a shot to make a big 3yo stakes.

If I wanted to quibble(about the stakes future thingy), after watching him work with Network Effect, I'd ask a physicality guy whether SD is a 'climber', or whether that pair just has a contrasting way of going up front. Either way that would have NOTHING to do with today, as a thing like that is something a horse is basically born with, and not a race-to-race adjustment.

in addition to the

, have a LRL Park soft-spot for the

. Any time a horse wins at all going that 1m, 2nd-finish-line configuration I always overrate him lol... I just like to see the typical long drive. At least

draws inside, but Jerkens tends to be both over-bet and patient, and the same speed bias that could potentially hurt the

is also there for the

without the known ability level that the

has....

All i bet so far was a cold double from Brown in the 9th to the

Blue Steel. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just as quick as the

AND better overall. The

has that great line-through race in the KYJC and then was comically klutzy in the comeback.

Robert Fischer · 02-09-2019, 04:54 PM

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wow 3/5 early on the

Global Campaign...

Got a good trip but looked decent enough. Missed half the race and saved $ on a shut-out super trying to key

3rd due to my phone and answering machine's relentless effort. Have to re-watch later. Maybe the

is a player? Seems on track for one of these stakes Fl Derby?