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Old 04-19-2018, 09:16 PM   #1
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Why don't we just get out of Syria?

It is too expensive to have a constant presence over there, and what for?

I'm against regime change and believe we should just let other countries govern how they like as long as they aren't bothering us. Too many of our people are suffering in our own country to bother saving other places.

In fact, I'm half convinced Obama started this mess by plotting to overthrow Assad. I need to read more on this, but if so, then we're partially at fault.

What do you think?
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:52 PM   #2
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I like maps, the ability to deliver death at Israel's doorstep is why Iran is active in Syria. We are there for one reason only, Israel.

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Old 04-19-2018, 10:16 PM   #3
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It's a proxy war.

At this point we have no hope of achieving our goals in the region but we cause our rivals to continue to waste resources there. It sounds terrible but perpetuating the conflict at this point is preferable to it ending. As long as it doesn't require a large investment on our part.

Like Kissinger commenting on the Iran/Iraq war nearly 40 years ago... "It's a pity both sides can't lose."
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Old 04-20-2018, 09:41 PM   #4
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It is too expensive to have a constant presence over there, and what for?

I'm against regime change and believe we should just let other countries govern how they like as long as they aren't bothering us. Too many of our people are suffering in our own country to bother saving other places.

In fact, I'm half convinced Obama started this mess by plotting to overthrow Assad. I need to read more on this, but if so, then we're partially at fault.

What do you think?
I think your user handle sums it up nicely.

A waste of money for the taxpayer. A golden goose for those who profit from the military-industrial complex.
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:24 PM   #5
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Pretty simple answer.

Do you want to control your enemies, along with the most precious resource on the planet right now in oil?

And while this may not seem like it is "oil", or world control, anything in the Middle East is a problem that we have to attend simply due to proximity and world conflict.

Who else will be the world's Shepard?
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:36 PM   #6
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we're not the type of people that allow leaders of other countries to gas their people.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:18 PM   #7
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It’s now about chemical weapons. Before it was Hillary and Obama trying to push Assad aside. He called their bluff and it went to shit.

But since the chemical attacks you have to take a stand. The knowledge that a chemical attack will result in a multi state response is the only thing that stops this shit.

Chemical weapons floating through the subway in NY city would be a horrible event and easily make 9-11 look like babyshit.

You must also realize that letting these idiots use chemical weapons results in them getting better at it. Each time they learn more, they practice etc. but the real use and transportation etc of the weapons makes them more dangerous.
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we're not the type of people that allow leaders of other countries to gas their people.
Why is that our responsibility? Isn't that what the United Nations is for? Isn't that why we are providing so much funding for the UN?
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Why is that our responsibility? Isn't that what the United Nations is for? Isn't that why we are providing so much funding for the UN?
Good point. We should defund the UN and use that money toward our version of peacekeeping.
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Why is that our responsibility? Isn't that what the United Nations is for? Isn't that why we are providing so much funding for the UN?
That's a good questions. The answer is, because nobody else will do it. The UN is a joke. They don't care about that stuff
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It's a proxy war.

At this point we have no hope of achieving our goals in the region but we cause our rivals to continue to waste resources there. It sounds terrible but perpetuating the conflict at this point is preferable to it ending. As long as it doesn't require a large investment on our part.

Like Kissinger commenting on the Iran/Iraq war nearly 40 years ago... "It's a pity both sides can't lose."
Our investment is large in this region, and will continue to be so. NO opinions to curtail our investment will ever be considered. The United States will NEVER abandon Israel.
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Old 04-21-2018, 02:01 PM   #12
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Our investment is large in this region, and will continue to be so. NO opinions to curtail our investment will ever be considered. The United States will NEVER abandon Israel.
"Never" is a very strong word to use when this country is infected with so many crazy, angry, hate-filled, demented, deranged, twisted, delusional liberal politicians. Obama all but abandoned Israel, and if Hillary had been elected she would have completed the breakup started by him.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:11 PM   #13
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Our investment is large in this region, and will continue to be so. NO opinions to curtail our investment will ever be considered. The United States will NEVER abandon Israel.
Nothing I said had anything to do with Israel.
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"As long as it doesn't require a large investment on our part"

I was referring to the above comment, as it will not be considered by your definition of what the investment will be. Count on that being a fact ultra liberals will not be able to change
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"As long as it doesn't require a large investment on our part"

I was referring to the above comment, as it will not be considered by your definition of what the investment will be. Count on that being a fact ultra liberals will not be able to change
Are you right now?
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