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Old 04-14-2015, 12:21 PM   #1
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Official: first 10 you will cross off in the KD

it has to be done. Stands will have to be made...unless you plan on wheeling AP.

obv post 1 will come into play. but we will deal with that later

please state reasons why as well


Rank Horse Trainer Points Non-Restricted Stakes Earnings
1 International Star Mike Maker 171 $940,979
2 Dortmund Bob Baffert 170 $1,230,000
3 Carpe Diem Todd Pletcher 164 $1,470,000
4 American Pharoah Bob Baffert 160 $1,410,000
5 Frosted Kiaran McLaughlin 113 $776,200
6 Mubtaahij-IRE Mike de Kock 100 $1,400,000
7 Materiality Todd Pletcher 100 $632,028
8 El Kabeir John Terranova II 95 $720,792
9 Upstart Rick Violette, Jr. 76 $807,680
10 Far Right Ron Moquette 62 $585,906
11 Itsaknockout Todd Pletcher 60 $288,560
12 Firing Line Simon Callaghan 58 $530,000
13 Danzig Moon Mark Casse 45 $217,500
14 War Story Tom Amoss 44 $195,000
15 Tencendur George Weaver 41 $224,500
16 One Lucky Dane Bob Baffert 40 $200,000
17 Stanford Todd Pletcher 40 $151,400
18 Mr. Z D. Wayne Lukas 34 $625,826
19 Ocho Ocho Ocho Jim Cassidy 30 $760,250
20 Bolo Carla Gaines 30 $214,980
21 Madefromlucky Todd Pletcher 30 $200,000
22 Keen Ice Dale Romans 22 $136,520
23 Frammento Nick Zito 20 $92,800
24 Bold Conquest Steve Asmussen 17 $192,176
25 The Truth or Else Kenny McPeek 11 $180,167

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Old 04-14-2015, 12:35 PM   #2
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even more difficult decisions await to get this down further. i have a feeling intl star and frosted will get the axe as well.

3 Carpe Diem
8 El Kabeir
10 Far Right
11 Itsaknockout
13 Danzig Moon
14 War Story
15 Tencendur
17 Stanford
18 Mr. Z
19 Ocho Ocho Ocho

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Old 04-14-2015, 12:42 PM   #3
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What do you mean by crossing out? Are you talking about for the win, or will these horses place in the top 3 spots?
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:45 PM   #4
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What do you mean by crossing out? Are you talking about for the win, or will these horses place in the top 3 spots?
horses you won't be using
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:47 PM   #5
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Out of win slot
*reason

American P *AWD
Madefromlucky *Bris LP
Carpe *AWD
Keen Ice *AWD
Standford *Storm Cat/John White Strikes
Danzig Moon *Maiden Win Only/John White's Strikes
Frammento *Maiden Win Only
War Story *Gelding/John White's Strikes
Dortmond *AWD/LP
One Lucky *AWD/LP
Ocho *LP
Itsaknockout *AWD/LP
Upstart *LP
El Kabeir *LP
Firing Line *LP
Tencendur *AWD/LP
Materiality *LP
Mr Z *LP
Bolo *LP
Far Right *LP

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Old 04-14-2015, 12:50 PM   #6
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Scratch from the top spot in red: I have a dirty dozen, but it doesn't mean they can't finish in the money.

1 International Star
2 Dortmund - Storm Cat
3 Carpe Diem - Storm Cat
4 American Pharaoh - best candidate to break the Storm Cat curse
5 Frosted - not considering for top spot, so he will probably win the Derby
6 Mubtaahij-IRE - best/only candidate to break the Dubai Import curse
7 Materiality - best/only candidate to break the Apollo curse
8 El Kabeir - Storm Cat
9 Upstart
10 Far Right
11 Itsaknockout
12 Firing Line - Storm Cat
13 Danzig Moon - only 1 win (maiden)

14 War Story
15 Tencendur
16 One Lucky Dane
17 Stanford - Storm Cat
18 Mr. Z - Storm Cat

19 Ocho Ocho Ocho
20 Bolo
21 Madefromlucky - tied #1 in DP, #2 in i-Chefs
22 Keen Ice - only 1 win (maiden)
23 Frammento - only 1 win (maiden)
24 Bold Conquest - only 1 win (maiden)
25 The Truth or Else - only 1 win (maiden)


Bold is what I am looking at.
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Old 04-14-2015, 12:57 PM   #7
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"I" Chefs

Will you share the number of "I" Chefs for the contenders? Would really love to see where they stand.
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Will you share the number of "I" Chefs for the contenders? Would really love to see where they stand.
International Star 7
Dortmund 7
Carpe Diem 5
American Pharaoh 4
Frosted 5
Mubtaahij-IRE 1
Materiality 1
El Kabeir 7
Upstart 7
Far Right 2 (1/8 Euro through Kantado)
Itsaknockout 4
Firing Line 3
Danzig Moon 11
War Story 7
Tencendur 4
One Lucky Dane 7
Stanford 8
Mr. Z 8 (F-Tail Gold Digger > Myrtlewood > Frizette)
Ocho Ocho Ocho 5
Bolo 3
Madefromlucky 9
Keen Ice 6 (Kris S in PwP - Princequillo)
Frammento 5
Bold Conquest 8
The Truth or Else 4

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Orb 11 (highest DPs came in 1-2-3)
I'll Have Another 4
Super Saver 7
Mine That Bird 8 (highest I-chef in the field)
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21 Madefromlucky - tied #1 in DP, #2 in i-Chefs

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Thank you for that. Do you happen to have a deeper breakdown of number of "I" Chefs for Derby winners? Say, going back to 2000.
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Old 04-14-2015, 01:28 PM   #11
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International Star 7
Dortmund 7
Carpe Diem 5
American Pharaoh 4
Frosted 5
Mubtaahij-IRE 1
Materiality 1
El Kabeir 7
Upstart 7
Far Right 2 (1/8 Euro through Kantado)
Itsaknockout 4
Firing Line 3
Danzig Moon 11
War Story 7
Tencendur 4
One Lucky Dane 7
Stanford 8
Mr. Z 8 (F-Tail Gold Digger > Myrtlewood > Frizette)
Ocho Ocho Ocho 5
Bolo 3
Madefromlucky 9
Keen Ice 6 (Kris S in PwP - Princequillo)
Frammento 5
Bold Conquest 8
The Truth or Else 4

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Orb 11 (highest DPs came in 1-2-3)
I'll Have Another 4
Super Saver 7
Mine That Bird 8 (highest I-chef in the field)
Top 2
Danzig Moon- 11
Madefromlucky- 9

Bottom 2
Mubtaahij-IRE- 1
Materiality- 1

Hmmmm......Now that's interesting..
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Top 2
Danzig Moon- 11
Madefromlucky- 9

Bottom 2
Mubtaahij-IRE- 1
Materiality- 1

Hmmmm......Now that's interesting..

Yes, & if there's a Giacomo in this field, its Danzig Moon......also, this secures my thinking of Mubtaahij not being in the top spot.
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i dont know wut the luv is on danzig moon for. somebody had to finish 2nd in the last race. beat a tiring ocho and passed a 90-1 shot. fact is he didn't show that much even to place, and like most of the prep races...nobody showed much except the divisional leaders.
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Top 2
Danzig Moon- 11
Madefromlucky- 9

Bottom 2
Mubtaahij-IRE- 1
Materiality- 1

Hmmmm......Now that's interesting..
Not all sires have been given labels, especially European sires.
Animal Kingdom has 0 points. But I've learned to look at those who have at least 1/8th European blood. Far Right so far fits this bill, along with another 1/16th through Caro.
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Yes, & if there's a Giacomo in this field, its Danzig Moon......also, this secures my thinking of Mubtaahij not being in the top spot.
More like Mine That Bird. He had 8 points. Everyone else in the field had 7 or less.
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