DRF price has ran the pikers out of the game.

[Tom]

Big night tonight.....11:25PM PPs, they are FREE


https://horseracingnation.lt.acemlna...6A1416A1A35786

[Robert Fischer]

you have to read between the lines

[delfman]

[quote=westernmassbob;2771848]

Originally Posted by delfman

I don’t think the guy is stupid. It could be that he is very selective on which races he is betting on. In any event it just seems like too many tracks and too much action going on in a week. Almost impossible to have a positive ROI, unless of course he’s betting 1.00 show tickets each race lol.

I apologize for calling you stupid. It was more of a joke, because I thought you were a track steward.
BUT, look at your posts in this thread and try to justify them. And I will in return explain to you why I said you are stupid.
and no, I wasn't calling checkmark stupid. I was calling you stupid.

[delfman]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Don't all ADWs offer free pps if you bet a relatively small amount of money?

I understand the supposed "newbie" argument, but even giving them free pps probably won't help, at least pps as they now exist. Given this is a board theoretically populated by horseplayers, I'm sort of surprised people here don't have access to free pps?

Maybe I'm missing something.

the ADW I use does not offer pp's.
hollywood races which is run by the biggest gaming company in NA, penn national gaming.
one of these days I may join with another, if I don't move to las vegas instead.

[BombsAway Bob]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Thus, DRF is ( apparently ) driving people out of the game.

While i know horseplayers are as a rule very loyal to the
past performance company that they regularly use, anyone
that likes using DRF PP's would be rather foolish not to use
DFRbets for the Free Formulator PP's. $50 bet = free card.
Even when NYRAbets, TVG/FD, Twinspires have promotions
for certain wagers, you can still drop $50 in DRFbets, then
use the ADW offering specials for the designated bets.
The only drawback from DRFbets is the "Bonus Bucks" you
get at the end of the month, good for... MORE PP plans, which
expire in 30-90 days, and you never use since your Free PP's get
credited first. If they could transfer "bonus bucks" into matching
wagering credits, it could move all my (admittedly modest) action
to them.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by BombsAway Bob

While i know horseplayers are as a rule very loyal to the
past performance company that they regularly use, anyone
that likes using DRF PP's would be rather foolish not to use
DFRbets for the Free Formulator PP's. $50 bet = free card.
Even when NYRAbets, TVG/FD, Twinspires have promotions
for certain wagers, you can still drop $50 in DRFbets, then
use the ADW offering specials for the designated bets.
The only drawback from DRFbets is the "Bonus Bucks" you
get at the end of the month, good for... MORE PP plans, which
expire in 30-90 days, and you never use since your Free PP's get
credited first. If they could transfer "bonus bucks" into matching
wagering credits, it could move all my (admittedly modest) action
to them.

Until the DRF buys and operates a racetrack, paying purses to horsemen from their ADW, you are best advised to keep the wagering dollars in the game.

[River11]

Originally Posted by BombsAway Bob

While i know horseplayers are as a rule very loyal to the
past performance company that they regularly use, anyone
that likes using DRF PP's would be rather foolish not to use
DFRbets for the Free Formulator PP's. $50 bet = free card.
Even when NYRAbets, TVG/FD, Twinspires have promotions
for certain wagers, you can still drop $50 in DRFbets, then
use the ADW offering specials for the designated bets.
The only drawback from DRFbets is the "Bonus Bucks" you
get at the end of the month, good for... MORE PP plans, which
expire in 30-90 days, and you never use since your Free PP's get
credited first. If they could transfer "bonus bucks" into matching
wagering credits, it could move all my (admittedly modest) action
to them.

DRF Bets is my main ADW love Formulator, wish the CDI vs DRF dispute would end. I have the same issue with the free DRF credits used first however if you contact them they will carry over other plans.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by River11

DRF Bets is my main ADW love Formulator, wish the CDI vs DRF dispute would end. I have the same issue with the free DRF credits used first however if you contact them they will carry over other plans.

Its such a joke, how much money does racing leave on the table since there is no organization between the tracks. Even the mob learned they could make more money working together than always against each other.

In Arizona we cant bet half the main tracks in the country since they are owned by stronarch.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by River11

wish the CDI vs DRF dispute would end.

You and everyone else.

[ubercapper]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Until the DRF buys and operates a racetrack, paying purses to horsemen from their ADW, you are best advised to keep the wagering dollars in the game.

The DRFBets ADW is a white label run by Xpressbet, hence the same portion (whatever it is) from every $1 bet which goes to the tracks from wagers made via Xpressbet goes to the tracks from wagers made via DRFBets.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by ubercapper

The DRFBets ADW is a white label run by Xpressbet, hence the same portion (whatever it is) from every $1 bet which goes to the tracks from wagers made via Xpressbet goes to the tracks from wagers made via DRFBets.

So your assertion is that every single dollar placed with DRFBets flows through to the tracks? No way.

Again, if you want to support the Stronach tracks, play directly with Xpressbet/1st. If you want to support NYRA, play directly with NYRA Bets.

Exactly what is the value add to the long term health of this game provided by DRFBets? This is DRF expanding into an area that makes them no more than the leech that is Nassau OTB, Suffolk OTB, or similar.

The ADWs must be directly owned by the tracks with direct flow of the takeout to those track purses/operations. No other organization should touch that business or take a percentage.

In summary, do not cry about takeout rates if you are willing to keep these middle men in the wagering business. It really is that simple.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

So your assertion is that every single dollar placed with DRFBets flows through to the tracks? No way.

Again, if you want to support the Stronach tracks, play directly with Xpressbet/1st. If you want to support NYRA, play directly with NYRA Bets.

Exactly what is the value add to the long term health of this game provided by DRFBets? This is DRF expanding into an area that makes them no more than the leech that is Nassau OTB, Suffolk OTB, or similar.

The ADWs must be directly owned by the tracks with direct flow of the takeout to those track purses/operations. No other organization should touch that business or take a percentage.

In summary, do not cry about takeout rates if you are willing to keep these middle men in the wagering business. It really is that simple.

I agree that ideally it would be better without middle men, but most of these middle men (including the original OTBs) were created in the hopes of attracting handle that would otherwise not make it into the track pools at all. It would wind up with bookies or not get bet. So the intention was good. It's very debatable how much they help now. However, not all the tracks can afford the type of investment required to build their own ADW. So someone is going to get a piece of the action of those tracks even if it's another track.

Personally, I feel no moral obligation to use a product just to help a track out, but I do understand your point.

To me, it's on all these players to negotiate deals that maximize their revenue and win my market share with better software, better customer service, better rebates/perks, and better handicapping features.

[cj]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

So your assertion is that every single dollar placed with DRFBets flows through to the tracks? No way.

That isn't even close to what Ellis said.

[lamboguy]

i think adw's are great. you make your deposit, make your bets, 10 seconds after the race becomes official, the money is in your account to do whatever you want with it. the adw has to settle out with the tracks and you don't wait like they do.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by cj

That isn't even close to what Ellis said.

Taken out of context, true. Here's the flow.

Originally Posted by ubercapper

The DRFBets ADW is a white label run by Xpressbet, hence the same portion (whatever it is) from every $1 bet which goes to the tracks from wagers made via Xpressbet goes to the tracks from wagers made via DRFBets.

This was followed by my quote.

Originally Posted by ScottJ

So your assertion is that every single dollar placed with DRFBets flows through to the tracks? No way.

My point was that DRFBets should not exist in the first place. Is there anywhere in the country where DRFBets is a legal ADW where XpressBet is not?

From the business side, $1 bet with DRFBets might be the same as $1 bet with XpressBet to the bettor, but DRFBets is "touching" that $1 and taking a fee for whatever value-add they are perceived to have. The result is that these two $1 bets are indeed different from a business perspective.