AOdds & Thoromation (The Dynamic DUO)

[crestridge]

Actually, the only Sartin program I've collected is Phase III, I was a "client" for awhile, but didn't wish to spend $1000 for energy, etc. But I have numerous other old programs from Fast Fred to MPH, Probets, Personal Line Generator Plus, Fig Line, Weighted Speed Calculator, Pace Evaluator, Win Formula, odds and ends of stuff I didn't pay much attention to, but it's fun to check em out once in awhile. Most use Bris files. A couple I still use, Bev's Yeast, it's still good.

[Partsnut]

Originally Posted by Tom

Two threads today - this one and bucktron's one about novel ideas
go well together.

I agree that AODDS and T-Mation are great programs, and would add KGEN is my favorite.

The novel idea is to use TIMEFORM's adjusted times in the Sartin programs. I get good results even considering the older programs use fifths of a second. Of course, no program adjustments are needed, unless you make your own based on TF TIMES.

Tom,

Hope you are well and feeling better.

I have been recently looking into Formulator with Timeform US and as it appears to me, that if you are willing to pay the price for these data files, it definitely supersedes the need for any software.
Thoromation and AOdds were great in it's day but as with most software. lacks the ability to see things like trainer intent, specific angles and diminishes ones insight and intuitiveness which I believe is paramount in the handicapping process.
Formulator with Timeform US is a one stop shop for the serious handicapper.
I guess that in this case, the price you pay my be relative to the results you get.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

Tom,

Hope you are well and feeling better.

I have been recently looking into Formulator with Timeform US and as it appears to me, that if you are willing to pay the price for these data files, it definitely supersedes the need for any software.
Thoromation and AOdds were great in it's day but as with most software. lacks the ability to see things like trainer intent, specific angles and diminishes ones insight and intuitiveness which I believe is paramount in the handicapping process.
Formulator with Timeform US is a one stop shop for the serious handicapper.
I guess that in this case, the price you pay my be relative to the results you get.

The Adjustment Bureau, it is the answer to the whole game.

[46zilzal]

Speculator beat the pants off of any Sartin program that came before it

[Vinnie]

Speculator was outstanding, however, I enjoyed Synthesis as well.

[Ted Craven]

RDSS = Speculator ++

[shoelessjoe]

As long as your talking about older Sartin programs I thought Synergism
was the best especially version 3 which has TPR numbers.

[Partsnut]

Originally Posted by shoelessjoe

As long as your talking about older Sartin programs I thought Synergism
was the best especially version 3 which has TPR numbers.

Jeff,

Bob Purdy's Synergism 3 was a good program in it's day, but in my opinion manual input, is time consuming and cumbersome and would not be an option for me. TPR is only one factor in ones decision making process.

G. Wadsworth's Speculator was also a fairly decent piece of software but
was very similar and redundant as most, if not all of the Sartin software's are, both past and present. There certainly was a lot of them. In my opinion, there was very little difference in any of them.They also lacked any insight into angles trainer intent and connections and use the same numbers everyone else has access to.

Unfortunately a lot of the older software is no longer available due to obsolescence issues.

[fast4522]

These programs have something in common with us, yet we still seem to work.
A member Elliott Sidewater did a superb rendition a few years back around the Early Late designations that are also used in these programs. I found his logic / lesson very sound for today's use. Looking hard at these programs specifically when they fail after using them as you should as intended obviously the adjustment is the weakest link. Some attention to that combined with what Elliott Sidewater laid out might be the trick.

[shoelessjoe]

Hi Fast

I have talked talked to Elliott very nice guy, he laid out something in one the follow ups for using Synergism that works well.

Jeff

[hracingplyr]

Hi Jeff, where did Elliot lay this out? In the follow-up? I use syn myself alot.

Bob

[shoelessjoe]

Hi

It is in Follow Up issue 19

Jeff

[Tom]

Thanks, Jeff.
I'll have to go reread that!

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by fast4522

These programs have something in common with us, yet we still seem to work.
A member Elliott Sidewater did a superb rendition a few years back around the Early Late designations that are also used in these programs. I found his logic / lesson very sound for today's use. Looking hard at these programs specifically when they fail after using them as you should as intended obviously the adjustment is the weakest link. Some attention to that combined with what Elliott Sidewater laid out might be the trick.

Elliot contributed positively to the Yahoo group (Sartin Alums) I moderated for over 10 years

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

Jeff,

Unfortunately a lot of the older software is no longer available due to obsolescence issues.

Unless you have copies of almost every one of them including the prototypes