Will Racing Change

[jay68802]

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...elite-circuit/

I for one think that this is a good idea. Every track and every condition, should be involved in the same level of drug testing.

I do not see why any owner or trainer would be against this proposal.

Could it be that the owner and trainer who opposes this type of drug testing realizes that their win percent would drop?

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by jay68802

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...elite-circuit/

I for one think that this is a good idea. Every track and every condition, should be involved in the same level of drug testing.

I do not see why any owner or trainer would be against this proposal.

Could it be that the owner and trainer who opposes this type of drug testing realizes that their win percent would drop?

They are all for everything to promote/improve the game until it becomes clear that they PERSONALLY have to do something different.

[Tom]

It makes sense that if horses go from track to track, the rules should be the same everywhere.

Tht said, racing never does thing that make sense.

No, racing will ever change.
In twenty years, CJ's thread about mis-timed races will hit 1,000,000 posts.

80% will be GP.

[jay68802]

Because of another thread here I went to Thoroughbred Rulings website. They have a list of violations by trainer. I started looking at trainers that would be considered popular. I got to the letter E.

1. one of the most common infractions was entering a horse that is not eligible. So if you think the conditions are confusing, seems like the trainers do also, but only when it is a easier condition.

2. Medication's.

Dimethylsulfoxide
Triamcinolone Acetonide
Methylprednisolone
hydroxyethylpromazine sulfoxide
BETAMETHASONE
Nandrolone
PENTOXIFYLLINE
PHENYLBUTAZONE
Methocarbamol
NAPROXEN
5-hydroxydantrolene
Betamethasone
Trichlormethiazide
Omeprazole
Stanozolol
METHYLPREDNISOLONE
Phenylbutazone
ISOFLUPREDONE

I only used a medication once, not the number of times it was a violation.
notice all the words ending in "lone". steroids

[cj]

Originally Posted by Tom

It makes sense that if horses go from track to track, the rules should be the same everywhere.

Tht said, racing never does thing that make sense.

No, racing will ever change.
In twenty years, CJ's thread about mis-timed races will hit 1,000,000 posts.

80% will be GP.

Will Rogers ran 10 races today. Five were hand timed with no fractions, and one wasn't timed at all due to a malfunction and too much fog. But hey, they got 40% of them!

[castaway01]

I'll use an example some people might not be familiar with, Ultimate Fighting, the UFC. It's a billion-dollar business, huge events, sold-out arenas. Like any other human endeavor, people take shortcuts to get ahead.

For whatever reason (compared to, say, the NFL, where 300-pound men roam freely and one or two guys test positive for steroids every year, ha ha), UFC decided to get tough on steroids and other drugs---long bans if you get caught, two years for a first offense in some cases.

What happened? Some guys who were jacked-up walls of muscle suddenly looked ordinary and fought in the same way. Some guys didn't change at all. Generally there were fewer guys with six-pack abs. Life went on. I guess it will be many years before anyone knows if it's healthier (and when you're getting punched and kicked for a living, how will that be measured anyway?) than the steroid era was.

Still, there's that group who was ripped and won all the time that doesn't anymore. The badasses who are now ordinary and slow. They are why racing doesn't change---no one wants to be in that group that has to be clean and goes from winning 25% or 15% to 5%. They want the option to race on the edge of legality.

That's why racing doesn't change.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by cj

Will Rogers ran 10 races today. Five were hand timed with no fractions, and one wasn't timed at all due to a malfunction and too much fog. But hey, they got 40% of them!

I actually bet on a few of those...I can personally attest to the fact that it was VERY foggy out there...

[cj]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I actually bet on a few of those...I can personally attest to the fact that it was VERY foggy out there...

Yeah, but other tracks don't have issues when it is foggy with timing. Chart calls, sure, but not times. They constantly have issues even on sunny days.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

Will Rogers ran 10 races today. Five were hand timed with no fractions, and one wasn't timed at all due to a malfunction and too much fog. But hey, they got 40% of them!

I am going down there in a couple of wwwks I can't wait!!!

[thaskalos]

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Originally Posted by castaway01

I'll use an example some people might not be familiar with, Ultimate Fighting, the UFC. It's a billion-dollar business, huge events, sold-out arenas. Like any other human endeavor, people take shortcuts to get ahead.

For whatever reason (compared to, say, the NFL, where 300-pound men roam freely and one or two guys test positive for steroids every year, ha ha), UFC decided to get tough on steroids and other drugs---long bans if you get caught, two years for a first offense in some cases.

What happened? Some guys who were jacked-up walls of muscle suddenly looked ordinary and fought in the same way. Some guys didn't change at all. Generally there were fewer guys with six-pack abs. Life went on. I guess it will be many years before anyone knows if it's healthier (and when you're getting punched and kicked for a living, how will that be measured anyway?) than the steroid era was.

Still, there's that group who was ripped and won all the time that doesn't anymore. The badasses who are now ordinary and slow. They are why racing doesn't change---no one wants to be in that group that has to be clean and goes from winning 25% or 15% to 5%. They want the option to race on the edge of legality.

That's why racing doesn't change.

That's why the game's rules should be created by the governing body...and not by the participants. The participants are greedy and selfish, looking to grab whatever unfair edge they can get so they can secure the biggest slice of the pie for themselves...so, the "governing body" steps in, and puts things in some sort of order so the game can continue with the "future" in mind. But with horse racing, the "governing body" is totally TOOTHLESS...and the game's future depends upon the decisions made by the horsemen. The HORSEMEN "own" the racing product that we see...and THEY decide how and where it will be packaged and sold. I was at an OTB last year, and went to the betting window to wager on a race at Thistledown...only to be told that the Ohio horsemen had decided to disallow the broadcasting of "their product" out-of-state on that particular day. And business at Thistledown went on that day...with the betting pools being only 15% of what they usually are. That's how much "power" the horsemen wield in this game...and how "toothless" the game's governing body is.

Horse racing's business model is so flawed that this game would already be dead and buried if it weren't for the slots, that were bargained for under false pretenses. You don't run a successful business without a unified governing body...especially when you face stiff competition for the wagered dollar. But, in our game, the "powers-that-be" think that they will be getting handouts FOREVER. They were afraid of online poker, and they lobbied against it...and got their wish when online poker was disallowed in this country. They were afraid of casinos...so they lobbied to get into the casino business themselves, and they got lucky there too. And now...they are lobbying to get into the sports-betting business...looking for another government handout, instead of figuring out a way to improve their existing product...so they could stand up on their own feet.

"Change", the original poster here asks...WHAT "change"? This game doesn't believe in "change". This game's very existence depends upon the generosity of those to whom the game goes crying every few years. This isn't a "sport"; it's a freaking JOKE.

[Tom]

The only things we know change in racing are the drugs and the batteries.

[cj]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I am going down there in a couple of wwwks I can't wait!!!

Enjoy, once was enough for me to drive to Claremore.

[jay68802]

Interesting notes, at least i think so. Looking at trainers and what they use.

....Drug................#Voil.......use........... ......................Wins....N/A
Phenylbutazone.......23...Anti-inflamatory.......................10....8
Flunixin..................11...Anti-inflamatory.........................6....3
Clenbuterol.............10...steroid.............. ........................7....2
Methylprednisolone...6...Anti-inflamatory..........................3....1
Dexamethasone .......5...Anti-inflamatory, adrenalglands....2....2
Methocarbamol.........4...nervous system depresant...........2....0
Ketaprophen............3....Anti-inflamatory.........................0....1
Carbon Dioxide.........3................................. ..................0....2
Oxycodone...............2....pain................. ........................2....1
Naproxen.................2....Anti-inflamatory........................1.....0
Bute........................2....pain............. ............................2....0
Boldenone................2....steroid............. ........................2....0
Syringes..................4
Fraudulent workout...4
Xylazine...................1
Stanozolol................1
Sromazine Sulfoxide..1
Sildenafil..................1
Ranitidine.................1
Propantheline............1
Prednisone...............1
Oxypheny.................1
Oxyphenbutazone.....1
Oxymorphone...........1
Hydroxyethyl............1
Guaifenesin..............1
Furosemide..............1
Fluphenazine............1
Dimethyl Sulfoxide....1
Desmethylsidenafil....1
Desmethylpyrilamine.1
Dermorphin..............1
Dembrexine.............1
Carisoprodol.............1
Bethamethasone......1
Acepromazine..........1

The # of wins is surprising,

The drug, # of violations, the drugs use, # of wins, and the # of times the horses finish position was not mentioned. These are for only trainers that last name start with A, and I went until I had 100 violations. Some had overages for more than 1 drug. Notice the # of cases for Syringes and fraudulent works.

The best one was a trainer who got fined for $4000.00, horse finished 11th, and then wrote a bad check to the racing authority for the fine.

The racing community needs to pull their head out of the sand, and face their problem.

[Jeff P]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

That's why the game's rules should be created by the governing body...and not by the participants.

Boiling your post down to the above quoted single sentence:

In my opinion you have identified the root cause behind 99.9% of the game's problems.


-jp

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[MJC922]

It may want to change sooner rather than later imo. Consider what Napster did to the music industry. If anyone gets something to catch fire out in the wild like anonymous peer-to-peer wagering using cryptocurrency it could blindside this industry.

First thing they need to do is hasten the day to adopting Betfair, it will make their product more attractive as a wagering proposition.

I'm suggesting they might want to do this well before someone 'unknown' sitting in Belarus ends up with a significant portion of the handle.