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Old 10-02-2021, 08:55 PM   #10201
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The powerful people of the world don't want to "change the world". They want to keep the world exactly as it is. They are on the top, and we are at the bottom...and that's exactly how the powerful want things to be. WE are the ones who want to "change the world", for this or that reason, but we are too WEAK...and we can't do anything constructive about it. And we end up blaming one another for the way things are...while the powerful among us are sitting there laughing at our expense.

There are no "Democrats" and 'Republicans'...and there are no "liberals" and 'conservatives'. These are just labels that the ruling classes have invented in order to keep us divided. There are only two classes in our world today...the powerful, and the weak. And the weak are spending their valuable time arguing about how the world can be changed...while the powerful are laughing as they sip their 1959 Dom Perignon, and eat their Beluga caviar.
Wrong again, some of us do not care what people do as long as we do not have to subsidize anyone. The poor can't pay and the rich will never pay, that just leaves you who thinks the middle class has to.

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Old 10-02-2021, 09:08 PM   #10202
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Wrong again, some of us do not care what people do as long as we do not have to subsidize anyone. The poor can't pay and the rich will never pay, that just leaves you who thinks the middle class has to.
You say that you don't want to subsidize anyone...but you are forced to subsidize EVERYONE. Your tax dollars subsidize the poor through the welfare programs...and your tax dollars also subsidize the rich, whenever the government bails out the businessmen who are "too big to fail". And you do this not because I am asking you to...but because the government comes knocking on your door come tax time.

You are too weak to say "no", friend...and you blame me for your own weakness.
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Old 10-02-2021, 09:15 PM   #10203
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thaskalos speaking MUCH TRUTH tonight...
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Old 10-02-2021, 10:22 PM   #10204
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You say that you don't want to subsidize anyone...but you are forced to subsidize EVERYONE. Your tax dollars subsidize the poor through the welfare programs...and your tax dollars also subsidize the rich, whenever the government bails out the businessmen who are "too big to fail". And you do this not because I am asking you to...but because the government comes knocking on your door come tax time.

You are too weak to say "no", friend...and you blame me for your own weakness.
No, you say that they divide us. I am saying we are divided because I do not want it. I do not believe in it, I am upfront about it. I don't hide it or pretend otherwise, you describe the system as it is. They do not divide you and I, we believe in different sides.
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Old 10-06-2021, 09:46 AM   #10205
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Reuters | October 6, 2021 6:25 AM PDT
Sweden pauses use of Moderna COVID vaccine for younger age groups:
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ts-2021-10-06/

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STOCKHOLM, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Sweden will pause the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for people born 1991 and later after reports of possible rare side effects, such as myocarditis, the Swedish health agency said on Wednesday.

The health agency said data pointed to an increase of myocarditis and pericarditis among youths and young adults that had been vaccinated.

"The connection is especially clear when it comes to Moderna's vaccine Spikevax, especially after the second dose," it said in a statement," adding the risk of being affected was very small.


Reuters | October 6, 2021 6:09 AM PDT
Denmark pauses use of Moderna COVID vaccine for people under 18 years:
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ne-2021-10-01/

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COPENHAGEN, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Denmark will pause the use of Moderna's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccine for people under 18 years, after reports of possible rare side effects, such as myocarditis, the Danish Health Agency said on Wednesday.

Earlier on Wednesday, Sweden said it will pause the use of Moderna's vaccine for people born 1991 and later over similar concerns.


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Old 10-06-2021, 09:55 AM   #10206
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An article on the NIH website doesn't paint a very rosy picture of myocarditis...despite our media and healthcare providers trying to pass it off as "no big deal" when the news first broke of this side effect months ago:

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Acute myocarditis mostly does not sufficiently respond to symptomatic medication for heart failure, and mortality is high in spite of treatment. The long-term disease course depends on the pathogen, the extent and type of inflammation, and the initial injury to the myocardium. Focal borderline myocarditis often undergoes spontaneous clinical healing if no serious heart failure developed initially. The early mortality of fulminant lymphocytic myocarditis requiring intensive care is in excess of 40% in the first 4 weeks (7). Untreated giant cell and eosinophilic myocarditis also have an extremely poor prognosis, with 4 year survival rates of less than 20% (8). Granulomatous necrotizing myocarditis is lethal if overlooked and untreated. Non-fulminant active myocarditis has a mortality rate of 25% to 56% within 3 to 10 years, owing to progressive heart failure and sudden cardiac death, especially if symptomatic heart failure manifests early on (9– 11, e1). In addition to impaired left ventricular (LV) and right ventricular (RV) function, virus persistence, chronic inflammation, and cardiodepressive autoantibodies are independent predictors of a poor prognosis (9, 12, 13).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
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Old 10-06-2021, 10:40 AM   #10207
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An article on the NIH website doesn't paint a very rosy picture of myocarditis...despite our media and healthcare providers trying to pass it off as "no big deal" when the news first broke of this side effect months ago:



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
And deaths months (and much less, years) later from vaccine induced myocarditis won't be attributed to the vaccine.
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Old 10-06-2021, 01:47 PM   #10208
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Reuters | October 6, 2021 6:25 AM PDT
Sweden pauses use of Moderna COVID vaccine for younger age groups:
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ts-2021-10-06/





Reuters | October 6, 2021 6:09 AM PDT
Denmark pauses use of Moderna COVID vaccine for people under 18 years:
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ne-2021-10-01/





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And deaths months (and much less, years) later from vaccine induced myocarditis won't be attributed to the vaccine.
Perfect for the agenda, isn't it.
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Old 10-06-2021, 03:27 PM   #10210
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An article on the NIH website doesn't paint a very rosy picture of myocarditis...despite our media and healthcare providers trying to pass it off as "no big deal" when the news first broke of this side effect months ago:



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
Remember, "rare" cases of myocarditis are what they are admitting to so far.

They are basically dismissing all the deaths and serious reaction cases from the Vaers database with a simple "there is no evidence of a link between these cases and the vaccine and anyone can submit cases like this".

What they are saying is that in any group of people there are going to be random deaths and serious illnesses that pop up.

If we did a study on people that played horses this weekend, some of them are going to die, get very sick etc... over the next couple of weeks. That does not mean that playing horses caused the deaths or sicknesses. It didn't. It was other things.

However, with a brand new vaccine, imo the onus should probably be on proving there is no causation and not the other way around. There's almost no way they are doing autopsies on all these patients. What they are probably doing is looking at their medical charts, seeing they had a lot of other health issues, and writing them off as death by other comorbidities (a few weeks ago I read the average age was 74) without considering that maybe the vaccine put them over the edge in the same way Covid did to very sick people in nursing homes.

I'd really like for someone to explain all this because I'm not buying the dismissal on trust alone. They should really have to dig into these cases very carefully with autopsies etc.. when they can to make sure they know what's going on. I hope they are doing more than dismissing them because most of the people were already sick.
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Old 10-06-2021, 03:33 PM   #10211
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Remember, "rare" cases of myocarditis are what they are admitting to so far.

They are basically dismissing all the deaths and serious reaction cases from the Vaers database with a simple "there is no evidence of a link between these cases and the vaccine".

What they are saying is that in any group of people there are going to be random deaths and serious illnesses that pop up.

If we did a study of people that played horses this weekend, some of them are going to die, get very sick etc... over the next couple of weeks. That does not mean that playing horses caused the deaths. It didn't.

However, with a brand new vaccine, imo the onus should probably be on proving there is no causation and not the other way around. There's almost no way they are doing autopsies on all these patients. What they are probably doing is looking at their medical charts, seeing they had a lot of other health issues, and writing them off as death by other comorbidities without considering that maybe the vaccine put them over the edge in the same way Covid did to very sick people in nursing homes.
Critical thinking suggests the following:

If the sudden uptick in adverse effects seen in the VAERS database was merely (as you put it) "random deaths and serious illnesses that pop up":

Similar numbers would be in the VAERS database for I don't know... the past 10-15 years for all of the other vaccines.

But you and I both know that's not the case.



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Old 10-06-2021, 09:45 PM   #10212
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Just for you Mostpost. Another crackpot doesn't think the vaccines are safe.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ts-could-die-/
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Old 10-07-2021, 12:40 AM   #10213
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more dead from covid in US in 2021 so far (thanks for your great plan Joe) than 2020
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:21 AM   #10214
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Moderna's founders make their debut on the Forbes top 400 richest people in America list after cashing in on the pandemic with COVID vaccine


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Three billionaires with stakes in Moderna - co-founders Noubar Afeyan and Robert Langer, and investor Timothy Springer - made it onto Forbes' list of the 400 richest Americans this year after their company put out one of three FDA-approved COVID vaccines.

Each of the men is worth over $3.5billion, and they were added to Forbes' list on Tuesday based on SEC documents, stock prices from September and other financial records.
But how can this be? Mostpost says the vaccine is "free".


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Good story on Regeneron here in Houston. Watch the vid


https://www.click2houston.com/news/i...-for-covid-19/
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