Religion III

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

How can you say that Biden is the one spreading misinformation about the vaccine when all he says is to take it. How is that misinformation? Everyone with a brain knows that is the right thing to do, even Trump.



Is that so? Sure fooled me with all those anti vaccine rallies you have in those right wing anti vaccine threads with your right wing buddies.



The publication about ivermectin has been withdrawn because it is fraudulent.

"... investigation into an apparent scientific fraud at a time when “there is a whole ivermectin hype … dominated by a mix of right-wing figures, anti-vaxxers and outright conspiracists”."

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...hical-concerns

Wow,that sure describes you.

You need to pay attention better. There are numerous threads exposing the numerous lies by the Deep State (Biden Admin, Public Health, Mainstream Media, etc.). The Deep State isn't exactly trustworthy.

Also, the August 13 article about Ivermectin has not been withdrawn. It's still up on the web. Your Guardian story is a wee bit dated by almost a month (July 16).

You truly are like your [spiritual] father with the only exception that Satan is a more clever liar than you are. Better not disappoint your daddy too often; for he won't take kindly very long to your gross incompetence, Jr.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You need to pay attention better. There are numerous threads exposing the numerous lies by the Deep State (Biden Admin, Public Health, Mainstream Media, etc.). The Deep State isn't exactly trustworthy.

Trump lied much more than Biden. So he's way better than Trump.

Your deep state is purely a political line that has no reality.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Also, the August 13 article about Ivermectin has not been withdrawn. It's still up on the web. Your Guardian story is a wee bit dated by almost a month (July 16).

I have later dated stories on Ivermectin if you want, so keep dreaming.

Originally Posted by boxcar

You truly are like your [spiritual] father with the only exception that Satan is a more clever liar than you are. Better not disappoint your daddy too often; for he won't take kindly very long to your gross incompetence, Jr.

You are such a fool. Where does denigrating me get you? In trouble. Because it boomerangs right back to you. YOU feel the hate,not me. You are its source.

Jesus said "love your enemies". There is not only wisdom beyond the surface in what Jesus said but the power of love that it brings. Your denigration of me only makes you weak. You don't understand how God works.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Trump lied much more than Biden. So he's way better than Trump.

Your deep state is purely a political line that has no reality.




I have later dated stories on Ivermectin if you want, so keep dreaming.



You are such a fool. Where does denigrating me get you? In trouble. Because it boomerangs right back to you. YOU feel the hate,not me. You are its source.

Jesus said "love your enemies". There is not only wisdom beyond the surface in what Jesus said but the power of love that it brings. Your denigration of me only makes you weak. You don't understand how God works.

Fine, post 'em. You certainly didn't post any later stories in your original lame rebuttal of that peer-reviewed Ivermectin study.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Fine, post 'em. You certainly didn't post any later stories in your original lame rebuttal of that peer-reviewed Ivermectin study.

8/16

Dr. O’Neal says, while Ivermectin does have some antiviral properties, the latest studies show it doesn’t work against the coronavirus.

https://www.wafb.com/2021/08/17/we-h...reat-covid-19/

8/16

Misconceptions about the drug’s coronavirus healing abilities began to spread when a handful of studies found positive trends in patients after taking the drug, particularly one non-peer reviewed paper that said ivermectin can lower COVID-19 death rates by more than 90%.

That study has since been withdrawn from the research website following reports of plagiarism and data manipulation that “are now under formal investigation.”

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/li...ea/8095506002/

8/13

"There is no evidence that ivermectin is effective for treatment," Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an assistant professor at the Medical University of South Carolina, said in an email.

" Dr. Denise McCulloch, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Washington's School of Medicine, said in an email. "Unfortunately, the few high-quality studies that have been done to date do not demonstrate a beneficial effect of ivermectin when it is used in people with COVID-19."

Ivermectin has been promoted as a COVID-19 cure throughout the pandemic. Scientists are still studying whether the drug could be used as a treatment, but so far there's little data to suggest it's effective against COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nt/5566216001/

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

8/16

Dr. O’Neal says, while Ivermectin does have some antiviral properties, the latest studies show it doesn’t work against the coronavirus.

https://www.wafb.com/2021/08/17/we-h...reat-covid-19/

8/16

Misconceptions about the drug’s coronavirus healing abilities began to spread when a handful of studies found positive trends in patients after taking the drug, particularly one non-peer reviewed paper that said ivermectin can lower COVID-19 death rates by more than 90%.

That study has since been withdrawn from the research website following reports of plagiarism and data manipulation that “are now under formal investigation.”

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/li...ea/8095506002/

8/13

"There is no evidence that ivermectin is effective for treatment," Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an assistant professor at the Medical University of South Carolina, said in an email.

" Dr. Denise McCulloch, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Washington's School of Medicine, said in an email. "Unfortunately, the few high-quality studies that have been done to date do not demonstrate a beneficial effect of ivermectin when it is used in people with COVID-19."

Ivermectin has been promoted as a COVID-19 cure throughout the pandemic. Scientists are still studying whether the drug could be used as a treatment, but so far there's little data to suggest it's effective against COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nt/5566216001/

All of which contradicts the peer-reviewed study of hundreds if not thousands of cases that was conducted in India.

Not only that but I know people personally who tested positive with covid and self-medicated with Ivermectin. They all improved within 2-3 days and none of them died.

Because I'm in a good mood, I'll repost the link again to that study:

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...5e2519364.html

[boxcar]

Vaccine Exemption Template Letter

https://www.ncbcenter.org/ncbc-news/vaccineletter

Just as Protestants are enjoined in scripture to act in good conscience, likewise the Catholic Church, too, subscribes to this principle.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

All of which contradicts the peer-reviewed study of hundreds if not thousands of cases that was conducted in India.

Not only that but I know people personally who tested positive with covid and self-medicated with Ivermectin. They all improved within 2-3 days and none of them died.

Because I'm in a good mood, I'll repost the link again to that study:

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opin...5e2519364.html

Debunked:

The Indian Council of Medical Research updated its COVID-19 guidelines on 17 May 2021 and started suggesting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine as optional treatments for mild COVID-19 cases.

The number of daily new COVID-19 in India peaked on 9 May 2021 and began to decline since then. Observing the short time window between ivermectin’s addition to the guidelines and the reduction in cases, some media outlets such as the Gateway Pundit claimed that “Coronavirus cases are plummeting in India thanks to new rules that promote Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to its massive population”. However, such a claim is unsupported by epidemiological and clinical evidence.

The daily number of COVID-19 cases started to decrease on 8 May 2021 after a sharp increase. However, the fact that event B occurs after event A isn’t enough to show that A caused B.

Given the short span of time between the release of the guideline and the beginning of the decline in daily cases, specifically ten days, as well as the significant size of India’s territory and population, it seems highly unlikely that this guideline would have led to a nationwide uptake of ivermectin by a significant enough number of patients to already impact the evolution of the daily number of new cases.

If ivermectin had an effect in curbing the spread of COVID-19, one might expect to only see limited contagion in countries that officially recommended this drug. Peru recommended ivermectin for mild COVID-19 as early as 8 May 2020. Official support for this drug also occurred in other countries in Latin America. However, these countries have experienced multiple waves of COVID-19 cases and deaths throughout 2020 and 2021 despite the ivermectin recommendation in place . Peru withdrew its recommendation in March 2021.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...ateway-pundit/

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Debunked:

The Indian Council of Medical Research updated its COVID-19 guidelines on 17 May 2021 and started suggesting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine as optional treatments for mild COVID-19 cases.

The number of daily new COVID-19 in India peaked on 9 May 2021 and began to decline since then. Observing the short time window between ivermectin’s addition to the guidelines and the reduction in cases, some media outlets such as the Gateway Pundit claimed that “Coronavirus cases are plummeting in India thanks to new rules that promote Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to its massive population”. However, such a claim is unsupported by epidemiological and clinical evidence.

The daily number of COVID-19 cases started to decrease on 8 May 2021 after a sharp increase. However, the fact that event B occurs after event A isn’t enough to show that A caused B.

Given the short span of time between the release of the guideline and the beginning of the decline in daily cases, specifically ten days, as well as the significant size of India’s territory and population, it seems highly unlikely that this guideline would have led to a nationwide uptake of ivermectin by a significant enough number of patients to already impact the evolution of the daily number of new cases.

If ivermectin had an effect in curbing the spread of COVID-19, one might expect to only see limited contagion in countries that officially recommended this drug. Peru recommended ivermectin for mild COVID-19 as early as 8 May 2020. Official support for this drug also occurred in other countries in Latin America. However, these countries have experienced multiple waves of COVID-19 cases and deaths throughout 2020 and 2021 despite the ivermectin recommendation in place . Peru withdrew its recommendation in March 2021.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...ateway-pundit/

Highly doubtful that the American Journal of Therapeutics and the John Hopkins University and the doctor at Cambridge got it all wrong. What your story omits is that three states were studied in India and the study goes from July 11 through August. Well after May.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Highly doubtful that the American Journal of Therapeutics and the John Hopkins University and the doctor at Cambridge got it all wrong. What your story omits is that three states were studied in India and the study goes from July 11 through August. Well after May.

Show me a study from John Hopkins U that says Ivermectin is effective against Covid. Doesn’t exist.

The Fda says you should not use Ivermectin for Covid on their website.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19

You who don’t want to put anything in your system for fear it will harm you are advocating taking a drug used for intestinal worms in animals. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Just inject bleach like Trump says. No more worries, you’ll be dead.

Merck the maker of Ivermectin says on their website

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies.

No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-sta...d-19-pandemic/

Your only rationale against the vaccine and taking a drug that’s meant for animals and not man is “deep state” bullshit. No scientific basis. It’s been debunked and withdrawn.

You really think the U.S. government is hiding this really great drug against its own citizens so they can turn them into magnetic Zombies with a vaccine? Go peddle that to Marjorie Taylor Greene and people with an IQ that is on the level of a Zombie already without taking the vaccine.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Light

Merck the maker of Ivermectin says on their website

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies.

No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease.

Who are you gonna believe...Boxcar, or MERCK?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Who are you gonna believe...Boxcar, or MERCK?

You played around with lighter-fluid as a kid, didn't you?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Show me a study from John Hopkins U that says Ivermectin is effective against Covid. Doesn’t exist.

The Fda says you should not use Ivermectin for Covid on their website.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...event-covid-19

You who don’t want to put anything in your system for fear it will harm you are advocating taking a drug used for intestinal worms in animals. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Just inject bleach like Trump says. No more worries, you’ll be dead.

Merck the maker of Ivermectin says on their website

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies.

No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-sta...d-19-pandemic/

Your only rationale against the vaccine and taking a drug that’s meant for animals and not man is “deep state” bullshit. No scientific basis. It’s been debunked and withdrawn.

You really think the U.S. government is hiding this really great drug against its own citizens so they can turn them into magnetic Zombies with a vaccine? Go peddle that to Marjorie Taylor Greene and people with an IQ that is on the level of a Zombie already without taking the vaccine.

The FDA really says that!? Who would have thought that the very epicenter to the Western Drug Culture that enables no small number of pharmaceutical companies to get rich off their drugs, which in very many cases come with the baggage of some serious side effects, would ever say such a thing about a drug that can't make anyone rich?

Merck says what it does to protect itself from liability. After all, Ivermectin, like many drugs had hidden properties to it that allowed it to used beyond it's intended purpose.

Yes, of course the U.S. government would conceal the benefits of any drug that would inhibit the FDA and all its partners-in-crime from reaping huge profits in pricey drugs. There's no money to be made in any alternative covid treatment like Ivermectin. Not only isn't there money to be made but if Ivermectin had been endorsed as a viable treatment, what would that do to the CDC's precious EUA!? It would demolish it. There would be no need for such a controlling edict over the lives of every American.

Quit being so utterly naive. The U.S. government is more corrupt than any of us can imagine!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

You really think the U.S. government is hiding this really great drug against its own citizens so they can turn them into magnetic Zombies with a vaccine? Go peddle that to Marjorie Taylor Greene and people with an IQ that is on the level of a Zombie already without taking the vaccine.

Are you this utterly naive and simple-minded? You really need to get out more and get better informed. The U.S. government is one of the "beasts" in this world. There really is a reason by human governments are called "beasts" in scripture. Try reading the bible someday, maybe you'll finally get it.

Top 10 U.S. Government Experiments Done on Its Own Citizens

https://listverse.com/2017/06/01/top...-own-citizens/

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Are you this utterly naive and simple-minded? You really need to get out more and get better informed. The U.S. government is one of the "beasts" in this world. There really is a reason by human governments are called "beasts" in scripture. Try reading the bible someday, maybe you'll finally get it.

Top 10 U.S. Government Experiments Done on Its Own Citizens

https://listverse.com/2017/06/01/top...-own-citizens/

I'm naive about the Government? You don't know who you are talking to. In my teens I was a true radical, not some wimpy Democratic Pelosi/Schumer puppy dog "liberal". Wimps to me at that time.

I never trusted the government. They were corrupt,period, in my book. So don't lecture me about the Pharmaceutical industry. You know nothing compared to the corruption I've known for over 40 years.

How come a pseudo anti government person like you are so pro the U.S. military industrial complex when you brown nose it with all your being? And you call yourself a man of God when God is in all those the military kills. That's why Jesus said love your enemies. Yet you don't make that connection. You analyze, refine it, synthesizes it to your preference because you follow your ego not God.

You are full of it with ivermectin. You are parroting Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham who have been promoting this anti-parasitic drug used for livestock as a potential Covid-19 treatment. This is right-wing media attacking public health. It's a political stance, not a health fact.

Now that I'm older and wiser, the radical in me realized that the U.S. government is not all bad and not all good. There is no Pizza gate OK. You are insane if you believe things like that about the government and other right wing conspiracies.

The FDA is not protecting the Pharmaceutical industry from an alleged miracle cure with Ivermectin. This is again a right wing conspiracy theory with no evidence in fact. PROVE that the FDA is profiting by telling people to stay away from a drug that can and will kill you because its meant for animals. Where is the link? Zero. You have no idea how ridiculous that allegation is. And you have no idea how government works.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

I'm naive about the Government?

Did you forget what you wrote a few days ago!?

You really think the U.S. government is hiding this really great drug against its own citizens so they can turn them into magnetic Zombies with a vaccine? Go peddle that to Marjorie Taylor Greene and people with an IQ that is on the level of a Zombie already without taking the vaccine.

It's very evident to me you think the government is a saint when it comes to this "pandemic" and its vaccines even with all of America's bad history about its abuse of its citizens' health.

You don't know who you are talking to.

Sadly, I do. You're a child of the devil.

I never trusted the government. They were corrupt,period, in my book. So don't lecture me about the Pharmaceutical industry. You know nothing compared to the corruption I've known for over 40 years.

Look at that! You can't even bring yourself to write in the present tense about the corruption of the government. You're a true blue Slo Jo brown nose, aren't you?

How come a pseudo anti government person like you are so pro the U.S. military industrial complex when you brown nose it with all your being?

That's easy. I'll stick with the beast I know rather the ones I don't know. The U.S. doesn't have a mortal lock on corruption, you know?

And you call yourself a man of God when God is in all those the military kills. That's why Jesus said love your enemies. Yet you don't make that connection. You analyze, refine it, synthesizes it to your preference because you follow your ego not God.

You are full of it with ivermectin. You are parroting Fox News hosts Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham who have been promoting this anti-parasitic drug used for livestock as a potential Covid-19 treatment. This is right-wing media attacking public health. It's a political stance, not a health fact.

Now that I'm older and wiser, the radical in me realized that the U.S. government is not all bad and not all good. There is no Pizza gate OK. You are insane if you believe things like that about the government and other right wing conspiracies.

The FDA is not protecting the Pharmaceutical industry from an alleged miracle cure with Ivermectin. This is again a right wing conspiracy theory with no evidence in fact. PROVE that the FDA is profiting by telling people to stay away from a drug that can and will kill you because its meant for animals. Where is the link? Zero. You have no idea how ridiculous that allegation is. And you have no idea how government works.

Yeah...I'm full of it. That's why India is suing WHO for its lies about Ivermectin!

With the godless it's money that makes the world turn, not God. So...yeah...just follow the money. A lot of people are getting rich off these so-called vaccines. Heck, I even know "small fish" market players who personally have made tens of thousands in the stock market off these vaxxes and that's chicken feed.