Time to investigate

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

Let me emphasize the part that is relevant and why I posted it from this site


What, Exactly, Does Congress Have the Authority To Investigate?
http://www.mololamken.com/news-knowledge-34.html

While Congress can investigate conduct that may be criminal, Congress itself lacks the authority to bring criminal charges or otherwise initiate a criminal prosecution. If a congressional investigation uncovers evidence of criminal activity, however, Congress may refer the matter to the Department of Justice for investigation and, potentially, prosecution. Sometimes, the DOJ investigation predates the congressional investigation. No matter which branch of government moves first to investigate, however, the end result is that a congressional investigation often will run parallel to a criminal investigation. As a result, evidence developed in a congressional investigation might be used by the DOJ in its criminal investigation or in a prosecution.
It has been running in parrallel to the Mueller report. No matter which which branch of government moved first to investigate

The part that is relevant is congress uncovers a crime during the course of an investigation based in its power to legislate, the only remedy for Congress is to refer its finding to the DoJ. Investigating solely whether or not a crime has been committed is not a legislative purpose covered in Congress' "implied" powers, as investigating crimes is not an enumerated power of Congress

For the sake of argument. Let's say congress finds that the President committed a crime. What can Congress legally do as to the crime itself? Congress can only refer the President to the DoJ for investigation and possible prosecution. The investigations have been done by the DoJ. Congress investigating if the President committed a crime is just redundant.

Redundant because once Congress determined a crime has been committed, Congress can only ask the DoJ to investigate and the DoJ has already investigated the alleged crime. The DoJ invested the obstruction issue and found the President did not commit a crime.

That is how the system works, per the Constitution. The investigation into obstruction has been conducted by the only appropriate branch of government and then made a decision, a decision it has the sole authority to make. The decision is no obstruction.

Again, Congress has the power to impeach. If Congress believes it has grounds to remove President Trump via the Mueller "road map", Congress needs to open a formal impeachment proceeding and not these attempts to portray faux impeachment hearings.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Weird flex but okay...

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[JustRalph]

Another great Buckeye! RIP

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/statu...85663403999234

You're gonna wear out this quote from a full on Lefty from The Atlantic in a single day bro.



And it is meaningless.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/statu...85663403999234

Not proper because there is no formal impeachment.

The Whitewater investigation had been based on actions prior to Clinton's presidency and involved legitimate Congressional business as Congress legislates banking laws.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

You're gonna wear out this quote from a full on Lefty from The Atlantic in a single day bro.



And it is meaningless.

Not really, it is very useful to demonstrate how people lie to the American public to distort the public's perception. #more fake news #biased lies.

[FantasticDan]

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[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...27592992927744

You keep quoting stupid shit as if it is enlightening.


Chris Hayes at @MSNBC?


What are your actual thoughts Dan?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...27592992927744

Again not true.

Here is the argument:

A lawyer for the president, William Consovoy, asserted on Tuesday that the Democrats’ subpoena fell outside of Congress’ legislative function and that the House was claiming “unbridled” power to investigate Trump

“They have made clear that this is not about legislation................

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1SK13A

The argument is Congress is creating a Constitutional crisis through overreach. Congress is trying to usurp Executive Branch powers.

Chris Hayes. #biased lies # confuse the American public

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

You keep quoting stupid shit as if it is enlightening.


Chris Hayes at @MSNBC?


What are your actual thoughts Dan?

Apparently Dan feels lies are enlightening. They are but not in the way he believes.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...27592992927744

After you and your buddies get done high fiving each other, the answer is "impeachment". That's your recourse.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

What are your actual thoughts Dan?

I asked him that very question once. He responded with a meme.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

The part that is relevant is congress uncovers a crime during the course of an investigation based in its power to legislate, the only remedy for Congress is to refer its finding to the DoJ. Investigating solely whether or not a crime has been committed is not a legislative purpose covered in Congress' "implied" powers, as investigating crimes is not an enumerated power of Congress

Lying to congress is one. And it occurred frequently among many Trump associates testifying to congress.

May not be a "nexus" legally but unless you are in total denial, it sure paints a dismal portrait of Trump-ville.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by hcap

Lying to congress is one. And it occurred frequently among many Trump associates testifying to congress.

May not be a "nexus" legally but unless you are in total denial, it sure paints a dismal portrait of Trump-ville.

Remember your thoughts on lying to Congress.

Remember your thoughts on "under oath" testimony.


Remember your thoughts on spying on opponents campaigns.


None of those happened.


And most definitely make sure you don't make any excuses for the Democrat minions.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

Lying to congress is one. And it occurred frequently among many Trump associates testifying to congress.

May not be a "nexus" legally but unless you are in total denial, it sure paints a dismal portrait of Trump-ville.

A perfect example of the type of crimes uncovered in Congressional hearings. Could it be that the people who lied were led into a perjury trap or that interview notes were tampered with.

Right now there are several investigations going on, an investigation of Comey, an IG investigation of the FBI regarding the FISA warrants, an investigation by prosecutor Huber (unknown subject matter) and now a criminal investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation.

All of which are serious matters, much more serious than lying to Congress.

Let's withhold judgement until we know the results of the afore-mentioned investigations.