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Old 11-25-2011, 11:05 AM   #1
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Trainer Claims 85% of Trainers Use Illegal Drugs

The claims are made in a new ebook:

"Most race horses, despite strict regulations prohibiting it, are given illegal drugs on race day. Many of these are performance enhancement drugs that affect not only the race, but the thousands of dollars at stake. Glenn Thompson, a race horse trainer with over 30 years of experience, reveals the darkest secrets behind the scenes of the Sport of Kings. By shining a light on these secrets, he hopes to change the pattern and return decency and honor to horse racing. Learn how over 85% of thoroughbred trainers give illegal drugs and how top racing officials turn a blind eye. Learn how jockeys are seriously injured and the champion horse George Washington was put down when safety protocols were not followed. The secrets behind the tradition of cheating will both shock and amaze you."
http://www.amazon.com/Tradition-Chea.../dp/B0062E62EQ

Here are the first 9 pages of the book:
http://www.smashwords.com/extreader/...sport-of-kings
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:11 AM   #2
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"Most race horses, despite strict regulations prohibiting it, are given illegal drugs on race day.
Most race horses are drug addicts.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:15 AM   #3
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do i have to buy the book to find out which drugs the author claims the trainers are using?
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:38 AM   #4
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A bunch of crap. The guy says 85% with no data to back it up.

This is the type of stuff that the public eats up and believes. I'm sure he'll make some money off this stupidity.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:51 AM   #5
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The author is a wannabe, neverwas big time trainer.

His father, a long time trainer, is disgusted with him.
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:12 PM   #6
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I agree with andy, and find Brogan's comments to be interesting.
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:13 PM   #7
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One should always pray when making concoctions .
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:13 PM   #8
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A bunch of crap. The guy says 85% with no data to back it up.

This is the type of stuff that the public eats up and believes. I'm sure he'll make some money off this stupidity.
Mighty hard criticism if you ask me...

Are we to assume that you actually read the book...or are you just revolting against the idea that the vast majority of trainers might be cheating?

You ask for "data"...

What sort of data would you be looking for; the same type of data that the horse racing industry routinely parades in front of us -- claiming that only a tiny percentage of the horses are "drugged up"?

When it comes to illegal drugs, there is no "data"...

Drug investigations often start with the solitary voice of a single "insider"...and it's not a simple matter to determine if he is telling the truth or not.

I am reminded of the MLB steroid scandal.

It was started by the ramblings of Jose Canseco...who was widely vilified and thoroughly discredited when the news came out.

Who was this embarrassing "has-been"...who was attempting to indict some of the biggest names in the game?

Canseco was right, of course...and his solitary voice shook an empire.

And that's why I don't think we should dismiss this book, without al least giving it some thought...

We've been down this road before...
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:25 PM   #9
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How did he gather the data to conclude 85% use illegal meds?
Would one trainer tell another if he/she was using illegal meds??
Would trainers complete an anonymous questionnaire?
Remember 24.63% of all statistics are just made up.
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:35 PM   #10
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Mighty hard criticism if you ask me...

Are we to assume that you actually read the book...or are you just revolting against the idea that the vast majority of trainers might be cheating?

You ask for "data"...

What sort of data would you be looking for; the same type of data that the horse racing industry routinely parades in front of us -- claiming that only a tiny percentage of the horses are "drugged up"?

When it comes to illegal drugs, there is no "data"...

Drug investigations often start with the solitary voice of a single "insider"...and it's not a simple matter to determine if he is telling the truth or not.

I am reminded of the MLB steroid scandal.

It was started by the ramblings of Jose Canseco...who was widely vilified and thoroughly discredited when the news came out.

Who was this embarrassing "has-been"...who was attempting to indict some of the biggest names in the game?

Canseco was right, of course...and his solitary voice shook an empire.

And that's why I don't think we should dismiss this book, without al least giving it some thought...

We've been down this road before...
You really want to believe this don't you?

People who have reviewed it say there is no data to back up his claim.

The game is now cleaner than ever and much more clean than baseball or football.
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You really want to believe this don't you?

People who have reviewed it say there is no data to back up his claim.

The game is now cleaner than ever and much more clean than baseball or football.
I never said that I "want to believe this"...this is YOUR interpretation.

I only said that we shouldn't be as quick as YOU were to dismiss the man's opinion.

You speak of the lack of "data"...

There can be no reliable data when it comes to illegal drugs...because everyone involved LIES about their use.

They lie in horse racing...just like they lied in baseball.

The only difference is, there is no money in horse racing to get to the bottom of this problem.
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I never said that I "want to believe this"...this is YOUR interpretation.

I only said that we shouldn't be as quick as YOU were to dismiss the man's opinion.

You speak of the lack of "data"...

There can be no reliable data when it comes to illegal drugs...because everyone involved LIES about their use.

They lie in horse racing...just like they lied in baseball.

The only difference is, there is no money in horse racing to get to the bottom of this problem.
Why do you bet?
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Why do you bet?
Why do people always assume that because horses might be injected with illegal drugs it means you can't win betting horses? It is faulty logic of the highest order.
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Why do people always assume that because horses might be injected with illegal drugs it means you can't win betting horses? It is faulty logic of the highest order.
You're kidding right?
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:54 PM   #15
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You're kidding right?
No, not at all. Just as in baseball, the games were still pretty predictable. I think most people asssume that "illegal drugs" today equals performance enhancers. I don't like it, but it doesn't change much for me as a bettor.
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