Religion III

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So what caused the butterfly to come into existence?

There was this girl butterfly and this boy butterfly. They met and decided to have sex ...

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Actor

There was this girl butterfly and this boy butterfly. They met and decided to have sex ...

Careful, you are embarrassing him.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by hcap

Careful, you are embarrassing him.

1 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Actor

1 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Yeah, but he will insist Yahweh was only testing his children to see if they would succumb. Then again, we Jews have a long tradition of matchmaking. Maybe Yahweh began that tradition by advertising explicitly. Ya know, "Go forth and Multiply."

All that begatting is well documented by Bishop Ussher

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

No, never ever said that.
See a GOOD memory specialist. Not 2 posts before, I said this:

One more time even larger......

All 4 stages of it's life cycle are all within that genetic code. Carried from birth to death.

But you didn't specifically say the caterpillar did either, you deceiver! You said "evolution" carries the code.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

But you didn't specifically say the caterpillar did either, you deceiver! You said "evolution" carries the code.

Because you can't read, and understand what others clearly state, you blame them and accuse them of deceiving you, calling them evil, and all sorts of ridiculous biblical, head stuck up your ass pompous absurdities

What a POS you are!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Because you can't read, and understand what others clearly state, you blame them and accuse them of deceiving you, calling them evil, and all sorts of ridiculous biblical, head stuck up your ass pompous absurdities

What a POS you are!

Yeah, I can read, you liar! You answered originally it's in "evolution" -- a freakikn' non-answer if there ever was one.

Now, that you AGREE that the genetic code is in the caterpillar, you have contradicted yourself! Since the code is in the caterpillar (the CAUSE) then how in the world can't it also be in the butterfly (the EFFECT)? And this has been my position all along: That causes are in their effects!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Yeah, I can read, you liar! You answered originally it's in "evolution" -- a freakikn' non-answer if there ever was one.

Now, that you AGREE that the genetic code is in the caterpillar, you have contradicted yourself! Since the code is in the caterpillar (the CAUSE) then how in the world can't it also be in the butterfly (the EFFECT)? And this has been my position all along: That causes are in their effects!

[clicknow]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Name one cycle in temporal reality that doesn't have a cause.

Originally Posted by Actor

• The oscillating universe model of the universe proposed by Albert Einstein.
• The Steinhardt–Turok model.
• The Baum–Frampton model.
• The Conformal Cyclic Cosmological model.
• The Loop Quantum Cosmological model.

I would like to see this addressed further.

I didn't see a response specific to these models addressed by Boxcar yet.

(It somehow got skipped over for 3 days.)

Plus it looks interesting and I would like to learn more, so hoping for that conversation to expand.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

• The oscillating universe model of the universe proposed by Albert Einstein.
• The Steinhardt–Turok model.
• The Baum–Frampton model.
• The Conformal Cyclic Cosmological model.
• The Loop Quantum Cosmological model.

Models are based on theories. And we see how modeling has worked out for covid-19 and over the dedades for AGW!

Try again. Give me something that is factual in the real world.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Another one of your typical brainless responses.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Yeah, I can read, you liar! You answered originally it's in "evolution" -- a freakikn' non-answer if there ever was one.

Now, that you AGREE that the genetic code is in the caterpillar, you have contradicted yourself! Since the code is in the caterpillar (the CAUSE) then how in the world can't it also be in the butterfly (the EFFECT)? And this has been my position all along: That causes are in their effects!

This was the original discussion.....

Originally Posted by boxcar

Neither you or Actor are fit to lick the bottom of the boots of Aristotle or Aquinas.

All I said about evolution is that a cause must be in its effect, which does demolish evolution -- just like the caterpillar is in the butterfly.

Originally Posted by hcap

Effects are not within causes. Caterpillars and butterfly's organizational patterns, not the actual physical stages of insect are coded in the genetic material. A full grown tree does not exist inside of an acorn.

It's pattern does

So I am the "deceiver", Mr Pompous ass? You lost track of the discussion. Miss read what I clearly wrote and are too archaic and irrational to understand modern science, let alone how to apply the "fallacy of composition" correctly

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Another one of your typical brainless responses.

I try to keep, it as simple as I can so not to overly confuse you brainless brain.
No matter how hard I try,that usually fails to take into account just how brainless you truly are.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

I try to keep, it as simple as I can so not to overly confuse you brainless brain.
No matter how hard I try,that usually fails to take into account just how brainless you truly are.

I'm sure you don't have to try very hard. Being your natural simple-minded self comes as natural to you as breathing.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I'm sure you don't have to try very hard. Being your natural simple-minded self comes as natural to you as breathing.

I would like an apology for you claiming I was a "deceiver", but you are too brainless to realize and admit you only deceived yourself.