Religion III

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

You and Actor should both consider yourselves lucky that I'm not in this thread full-time, I'd break both of your feeble Crutch-science minds.

Actually I think we are glad you are not "full-time"

Question is are you full time stable?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by hcap

Actually I think we are glad you are not "full-time"

Question is are you full time stable?

Just pushing your buttons and having a little fun, but you already knew that....Relax.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Just pushing your buttons and having a little fun, but you already knew that....Relax.

Hey Randall in Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is the Buddhist practitioner who has incredible compassion for sentient beings.

Lighten up,...They sometimes have compassion too.

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[porchy44]

Originally Posted by Actor

On the other hand there is only one source for Jesus, viz., whoever wrote the gospel of Mark. That's it. Period. The other gospels simply copy and embellish Mark. There is no corroborating writing confirming the existence of Jesus. Furthermore, this one source has an agenda, viz., the propagation of Christianity. (Note: that's the source of the word propaganda.) This source is biased. It is advertising copy.

The innocent until proven guilty approach. Do you have any counter evidence for me to believe "the other Gospels embellish Mark" ?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Redboard

Boxcar, being the biblical expert you are, based upon the volumes written here, you must surely know that everything ever set down about Jesus, including the books of the New Testament, was written by people who never actually met him. His followers gave accounts that were passed down , decades later, to men who could actually read and write. The earliest written material in the New Testament — the letters of the Apostle Paul — was composed in mid -century by the man who became a convert after Jesus died. Further, the Gospels themselves (Mark, written A.D. 60-70; Luke, 75-95; Matthew, 70-90; and John, 90-100) were composed decades after the events they describe by writers who refined their narratives to serve various early-Christian communities and their traditions of Jesus. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, were not Apostles, instead they are referred to as evangelists.

For your info, all the NT was very likely written before 70 A.D. Since you consider yourself a history buff, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to figure out why this is very likely so.

Also, the premise in your first sentence is wrong. Not "everything" in the NT written about Jesus was sourced from third parties. Peter, James and John walked, talked and ate with Jesus and accompanied him during his entire ministry. Even the apostle Paul saw the resurrected Christ.

And since when can't a person wear multiple hats?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

I do not recall
Deuteronomy 5:9 saying "grown up children."

What version of Deuteronomy are you using? The super revised Boxcarian?

So, your assuming infant children? I don't recall Deut 9 saying that either.

At what age do your children quit being your sons or daughters?

You made this same simple-minded mistake with God killing all the firstborn of the Egyptians in the last plague. You never learn, do you? At what age does a child quit being a parent's first-born?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by hcap

Hey Randall in Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is the Buddhist practitioner who has incredible compassion for sentient beings.

Bodhisattva you say?....Got it right here:

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[Redboard]

Throughout their history, the Jewish people never lacked for prophets, at least, self-proclaimed ones. To the Jews of Roman Palestine, men like Jesus weren't uncommon. Their holy city, Jerusalem, saw a steady parade of itinerant Jewish preachers, healers, exorcists, soothsayers, and spiritualists. They tramped the countryside trailing bands of followers whom they lectured about the evils of this world and, the coming of the next. Some of the drifters, known collectively as "men of deeds,” were little more than con-men who preyed on the weak and gullible. Others, gripped with apocalyptic fervor, called on their listeners to repent, warning that the end of the world was near.

None of these “prophets” at that time made the Hebrew Bible( the last being Malachi around 420 BC ), but some made the history books, including Rabbi Hanina ben Dosa, a Galilean healer who claimed to intercede with God over his patients' life or death; Apollonius of Tyana, who purportedly healed the lame, the blind, and the sick and raised a girl from the dead; Honi the Circle Drawer, who during a long drought drew a circle in the dust and stood inside it, arguing with God, until it began to rain; and the mysterious figure known as the Egyptian prophet, a self-proclaimed king of the Jews who was all set, like Joshua at Jericho, to command the city walls of Jerusalem to tumble down, when a force of Roman soldiers arrived and massacred his followers.

It was Passover, and the Romans were braced for trouble. As their shock troops, the centurions, waited quietly in the shadows, Jewish zealots and rabble-rousers came streaming in from the countryside, bent on turning the dusty streets of Jerusalem into a kind of religious theater, complete with speeches, prayers, and lamentations. Their audience, as always, was the thousands of diaspora Jews arriving from places like Caesarea and Tyre, Damascus and Alexandria. As they did every year, they came to Jerusalem to entertain themselves, renew their faith, and make their ritual sacrifices at the altars in Herod's Temple. Into all this came the figure of Jesus, on the back of a donkey, surrounded by his disciples and other followers. Officials of the Sanhedrin, the Jewish religious authority, were not amused. But that was a pale insult compared with what came next, when Jesus entered the outer courtyard of the Temple where the pre-Passover commerce in loans, currency, sacrificial birds, livestock, amulets, gifts, and sacred objects was in full swing. Instead of buying sacrifices, the Galileans led by Jesus began whipping the vendors and moneylenders, overturning their tables and cash boxes, and driving them from the Temple complex.

We learn from historical sources that Pontius Pilate was a brutal, no-nonsense administrator who had been dispatched to Palestine in A.D. 26 after a succession of Roman governors had failed to subdue the Jewish province. With hordes of pilgrims pouring into Jerusalem for Passover and rebels on the loose, it's doubtful Pilate spent much time deliberating about the matter. Whatever transpired, we know that Jesus was handed over to the executioner for crucifixion and that the punishment was carried out.

Afterward the Apostles, fearing for their lives, probably felt terror, shame, and devastation. Terror perhaps foremost, because if they were caught, they too would be crucified. Shame, because many had run away at the first sign of trouble, abandoning Jesus to his fate. Devastation would have taken longer. At first they might have peered out from their hiding places, searching the sky for signs-a thunderbolt crashing down on the Temple Mount? A heavenly host led by the prophets of old? Jesus, bathed in glory, trailing a river of sacred fire? The Apostles must have clung to the expectation that if Jesus was who he claimed to be, something big was about to happen. But as the hours passed, the seeming truth sank in: Nothing, in fact, had changed. Passover continued, just as always. The moneylenders, unchastened, hawked their rates in the courtyard. Idol-worshipping pagans still had Judaism by the throat. So like the followers of every other revolutionary killed by the Romans, the disciples of Jesus made plans to slip away to their villages and pick up their lives where they'd left off three years before. There would be no Messiah from Nazareth, no kingdom of God on Earth.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, your assuming infant children? I don't recall Deut 9 saying that either.

At what age do your children quit being your sons or daughters?

You made this same simple-minded mistake with God killing all the firstborn of the Egyptians in the last plague. You never learn, do you? At what age does a child quit being a parent's first-born?

Toddlers? Maybe teenagers? Young adults? Millennials?

I would have thought a deity that does addition ...."But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.",.......


Could be more a bit specific about specific age groups.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Toddlers? Maybe teenagers? Young adults? Millennials?

I would have thought a deity that does addition ...."But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.",.......


Could be more a bit specific about specific age groups.

Here's a better idea for simpletons: Beg, borrow or steal a dictionary and look up the definition of "children".

[Actor]

Originally Posted by porchy44

The innocent until proven guilty approach.

I would not put it that way. But if you insist then what's wrong with that?

Originally Posted by porchy44

Do you have any counter evidence for me to believe "the other Gospels embellish Mark" ?

Read them and decide for yourself.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

For your info, all the NT was very likely written before 70 A.D.

John was written after 90 C.E.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Here's a better idea for simpletons: Beg, borrow or steal a dictionary and look up the definition of "children".

"Children" is the plural of "child." Look up the definition of "child."

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Actor

"Children" is the plural of "child." Look up the definition of "child."

Actor, how many children or kids do you and your wife have?....Common question to Boomers, and a common usage of the word "children"....Quit your hair-splitting.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

At what age do your children quit being your sons or daughters?

Umm...NEVER?