Religion II

[hcap]

Originally Posted by me

No one ever said time causes anything !!!.

Originally Posted by babbling car

Yeah...no one ever said it except when you used the phrase repeatedly "the causal arrow of time"

Bullshit! !!!!
The casual arrow of time demonstrates direction. It is not a cause.

You are losing it big time.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Bullshit! !!!!
The casual arrow of time demonstrates direction. It is not a cause.

You are losing it big time.

So, why do you describe this "direction" with the adjective "causal?

Equivocate much, do you?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, why do you describe this "direction" with the adjective "causal?

Equivocate much, do you?

Because Cause always comes BEFORE Effect.

Cause is first. effect is second

Cause always precedes effect

The direction of events, is the cause of the event always comes first and the result of the cause comes second.

EVENTS never, ever, on the macroscopic world ( other than some phenomena on the sub- atomic), precede the CAUSE that caused it.

Got it bunky?

Because this is not exactly rocket science, and if you still do not understand, FIRST you must get a better education and some live brain cells BEFORE you can.


FIRSTSECOND

I can not explain this to you anymore or any better. Your ridiculous "future precedes the past" reverses our obvious, universal direction of time.

Sayonara bunky.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Because Cause always comes BEFORE Effect.

Cause is first. effect is second

Cause always precedes effect

The direction of events, is the cause of the event always comes first and the result of the cause comes second.

EVENTS never, ever, on the macroscopic world ( other than some phenomena on the sub- atomic), precede the CAUSE that caused it.

Got it bunky?

Because this is not exactly rocket science, and if you still do not understand, FIRST you must get a better education and some live brain cells BEFORE you can.


FIRSTSECOND

I can not explain this to you anymore or any better. Your ridiculous "future precedes the past" reverses our obvious, universal direction of time.

Sayonara bunky.

And what do cause and effect with events have to do with the "direction" of 'the arrow of time'?

Not only does the Future precede the Past, LOGICALLY, but it precedes the Present too.

As far as the "obvious universal direction of time", buy a sundial and then early tomorrow morning, pull your head out of the ground and go outside and witness the birth of a new day that will come from the East and slowly but surely make its trek through the Present to where you are and continue in the opposite direction to the West to its final resting place. (R.I.P.). And it is also universally understood that before anything can come to an end it must first have begun. The new day, therefore, will come to you and have its beginning from the East (the Future) and will come to realize its end in the West (the Past).

[hcap]

More bullshit. You are not capable of understanding the most basic things.

I give up. Useless going further.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

More bullshit. You are not capable of understanding the most basic things.

I give up. Useless going further.

You should give up because you have no argument whatsoever.

You can't even answer my question that I presented in my last post. Here it is again:

What do cause and effects with events have to do with the "direction" of 'the causal arrow of time"?

You also have no answer about how can you, logically, have the beginning of all days (the Future) flowing through the end of all days (the Past).

Also, how can you, logically, get all new days (the Future) from all the old days (the Past)? How can we get the new from the old?

Or how can you, logically, have all unused time (the Future) proceeding through all used time (the Past)? How can we get the unused from the used?

Meanwhile, Nature itself teaches us every day that your theory about the flow of time is absurd. All new, unused days that lay ahead of us begin in the East and after they pass through the Present they become old, used days that fade behind us and come to their final end in the opposite direction to the West.

Perfectly logical.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by hcap

More bullshit. You are not capable of understanding the most basic things.

I give up. Useless going further.

May I suggest.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Hank

May I suggest.

Looks like not only has he lost himself in another conceptual world, but now he is no longer speaking the same language as the rest of us. I have often joked his "explanations" were composed in "boxcarian".

No longer a joke.

What does

Originally Posted by babbling car

What do cause and effects with events have to do with the "direction" of 'the causal arrow of time"?

mean?

Is he saying events occur outside of time?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Looks like not only has he lost himself in another conceptual world, but now he is no longer speaking the same language as the rest of us. I have often joked his "explanations" were composed in "boxcarian".

No longer a joke.

What does mean?

Is he saying events occur outside of time?

Just answer the question and quit stalling: What do causes and effects with events have to do with the direction of the "causal arrow of time"? Tell us in plain English what the connection is.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Hank

May I suggest.

Another fan of pop science, I see. You, too, I suppose when looking ahead to the Future must look back to the Past.

You're another who needs to get out more often to witness sunrises and sunsets to see how Time flows.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You're another who needs to get out more often to witness sunrises and sunsets to see how Time flows.

Fiddler on the Roof

Sunrise Sunset

Is this the little girl I carried?
Is this the little boy at play?
I don't remember growing older
When, did, they?
When did she get to be a beauty?
When did he grow to be so tall?
Wasn't it yesterday when they, were, small?
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly flow the days
Seedlings turn overnight to sunflowers
Blossoming even as we gaze
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly fly the years
One season following another
Laden with happiness and tears
Now is the little boy a bride groom?
Now is the little girl a bride?
Under the canopy I see them
Side, by, side
Bless the gold ring around her finger
Share the sweet wine and bread per glass

Song about growing older
Not younger bunky

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Fiddler on the Roof

Sunrise Sunset

Is this the little girl I carried?
Is this the little boy at play?
I don't remember growing older
When, did, they?
When did she get to be a beauty?
When did he grow to be so tall?
Wasn't it yesterday when they, were, small?
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly flow the days
Seedlings turn overnight to sunflowers
Blossoming even as we gaze
Sunrise, sunset, Sunrise, sunset
Swiftly fly the years
One season following another
Laden with happiness and tears
Now is the little boy a bride groom?
Now is the little girl a bride?
Under the canopy I see them
Side, by, side
Bless the gold ring around her finger
Share the sweet wine and bread per glass

Song about growing older
Not younger bunky

I can see that growing older has not been kind to you.

Have all your years flown by too fast for you? What changed from the youth of your yesteryear? Did the "arrow of time" pierce your liver and cause you to become an old, intolerant curmudgeon?

[hcap]

Whereas growing older has taken a drastic toll on your brain cells.

Growing old well or poorly is an explicit demonstration of cause and effect and entropy.

Murphy's law as well.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Whereas growing older has taken a drastic toll on your brain cells.

Growing old well or poorly is an explicit demonstration of cause and effect and entropy.

Murphy's law as well.

As long as you understand that the "causal arrow of time" doesn't cause anyone to grow old.

[hcap]

The arrow points to things aging as does entropy.