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12-28-2018, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
They would take it if they could get it.
Turkey, Syria and Iraq have been working on cleansing Kurdish territory for decades. They deserve our help.
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They are taking volunteers. Why are you waiting? Are you waiting for others to give up their lives to support your moral/geopolitical views?
Fighting for Kurdish independence is not in the defense of this country and an improper use of our military.
However, it is perfectly acceptable for you to risk your life in the Kurdish fight for independence.
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12-28-2018, 03:26 PM
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#197
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Here is a benefit to USA withdrawal .... no more USA casualties there
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12-28-2018, 03:27 PM
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#198
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
The benefit is not sacrificing other American lives in a religious war between two major sects of Islam and the Yazidis.
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Both Kurds and Turks are majority Sunni. This is not a religious war.
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12-28-2018, 03:28 PM
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#199
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Originally Posted by davew
Here is a benefit to USA withdrawal .... no more USA casualties there
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Apparently, saving American lives and their limbs, etc. is not a benefit to E.T.
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12-28-2018, 03:30 PM
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#200
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Originally Posted by davew
Here is a benefit to USA withdrawal .... no more USA casualties there
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We've had 2 in the past 3 years...
We lose more servicemen in accidents on a regular monthly basis.
Its a bogus emotional argument that isn't tethered to any reality except the one in you and Show Me The Wire's head.
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12-28-2018, 03:32 PM
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#201
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Both Kurds and Turks are majority Sunni. This is not a religious war.
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Pay attention there are two parts of this discussion.. The religious war is being waged in Syria. The independence issue involves both Syria and Turkey and to an extent Iraq.
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12-28-2018, 03:35 PM
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#202
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
We've had 2 in the past 3 years...
We lose more servicemen in accidents on a regular monthly basis.
Its a bogus emotional argument that isn't tethered to any reality except the one in you and Show Me The Wire's head.
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False equivocation. A great justification for war. Servicemen die in peace time accidents, so lets be more productive and send them off to fight wars. After all accidents and war deaths are equivalent.
Is the above reasoning part of your excellent understanding of cost-benefit analysis?
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12-28-2018, 03:37 PM
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#203
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Originally Posted by TJDave
They would take it if they could get it.
Turkey, Syria and Iraq have been working on cleansing Kurdish territory for decades. They deserve our help.
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Sure.
But they along with everyone else knows its not realistic.
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12-28-2018, 03:39 PM
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12-28-2018, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Sure.
But they along with everyone else knows its not realistic.
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This keeps on getting better. It is an unrealistic goal, but we should use our military to support this unrealistic goal, which may spark a larger military conflict.
Great geopolitical strategy on your part. 
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12-28-2018, 03:41 PM
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#206
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
This keeps on getting better. It is an unrealistic goal, but we should use our military to support this unrealistic goal, which may spark a larger military conflict.
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Nope.
Not what I said... again you need to work on reading...
Name one actual "exists in the real world" reason for leaving. Drop the non-existent troop death bullshit.
Then we can begin a real discussion because smoking you all over on this topic is getting old.
Its like Canadians burnt down the White House all over...
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12-28-2018, 03:45 PM
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#207
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
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It is not an emotional argument dude. People sacrificing their lives is a fact and we better have a damn good reason to ask people to sacrifice their lives. The only acceptable reason is the defense of your homeland and way of life.
Again, if you feel so morally compelled to act, volunteer and risk your life for your beliefs. Don't impose you will to sacrifice, which cost you nothing by sacrificing other people's lives.
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12-28-2018, 03:49 PM
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#208
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Nope.
Not what I said... again you need to work on reading...
Name one actual "exists in the real world" reason for leaving. Drop the non-existent troop death bullshit.
Then we can begin a real discussion because smoking you all over on this topic is getting old.
Its like Canadians burnt down the White House all over...
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It is the logical conclusion of your false logic, about servicemen dying. I have no problem with reading comprehension, but it seems you have an issue with the conclusions of logic.
I gave you several reasons, our allies, escalation, sovereign nations, Kurdish independence is not our issue, and especially human life is precious learn to comprehend.
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12-28-2018, 03:55 PM
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#209
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
It is not an emotional argument dude. People sacrificing their lives is a fact and we better have a damn good reason to ask people to sacrifice their lives. The only acceptable reason is the defense of your homeland and way of life.
Again, if you feel so morally compelled to act, volunteer and risk your life for your beliefs. Don't impose you will to sacrifice, which cost you nothing by sacrificing other people's lives.
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Here are my reasons for the two combat deaths in Syria in the past three years:
 ISIS isn't defeated.
 We have allies in the region we work with.
 We are actively still killing terrorists.
 We shouldn't fold a section of the Middle East to Iran and Russia
 There is currently no exit strategy to fill the vacuum our leaving creates
 This allows for the next JV Squad to spring up.
 Oh... I forgot about Israel... you guys love Israel.
In order to make the "blood and treasure" argument... the conflict has to cost you actual blood and treasure.
This one isn't...
If it was you'd have a point but your premise is false and the rest of your argument fails afterward.
Try again.
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12-28-2018, 03:56 PM
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#210
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Pay attention there are two parts of this discussion.. The religious war is being waged in Syria. The independence issue involves both Syria and Turkey and to an extent Iraq.
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Religious war? Explain it as you know it.
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