Obamacare death march

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

The platform should be, Guvmint GTFO out of healthcare because they suck at it. All they should be doing is regulating the private sector. Just look at the VA. It is a complete crapfest.

We bleed funds in Medicaid and completely suck at Social Security. Why would anybody want Guvmint involved in anything as important as healthcare for everybody?

Shove Ocrapcare down the hole where it came from.

Platform should be build a cotdam wall. Fix our infrastructure that is in dire need of rebuilding, and our airports televising the Nature channel as opposed to the Communist News Network.

TIL Obamacare is government healthcare.

Like I said the Democrats will take this stick and beat the living hell out of the GOP with it. They just did.

Obamacare does suck but it's better than the alternative which is nothing...

Like I said its going to be real funny when the GOP goes to salvage it and change its name to Trumpcare or something just like NAFTA.

The other stuff like the wall and infrastructure got a chuckle out of me... but those have their own threads.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I will if Trump gets to nominate another constructionist judge to the SC and he/she gets confirmed by the Senate. I didn't trust Roberts before the ObamaCare SC decision was handed down (and even predicted that he could be the loose canon in that decision, and he was), so I trust him less now. Powerful people might have some dirt on him and are pulling his strings.

Socialized Medicine is a huge, huge deal to socialists because it is the second, foundational cornerstone to Socialism. A lot will be riding on the upcoming court decisions.

I was talking in the Appeals Court...

Suddenly you don't seem so sure of this "epic" win.

Surprising... well not really... it's a pretty shoddy legal decision.

Even you can see that.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I was talking in the Appeals Court...

Suddenly you don't seem so sure of this "epic" win.

Surprising... well not really... it's a pretty shoddy legal decision.

Even you can see that.

The district court ruled correctly. Of this I am confident.

But we both know this isn't the end of the matter; it's only the first of three steps. Even you should know that -- that regardless how an Appeals Court rules, this will wind up before the SC. One side or the other will take it to the top floor.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

TIL Obamacare is government healthcare.

Like I said the Democrats will take this stick and beat the living hell out of the GOP with it. They just did.

Obamacare does suck but it's better than the alternative which is nothing...

Like I said its going to be real funny when the GOP goes to salvage it and change its name to Trumpcare or something just like NAFTA.

The other stuff like the wall and infrastructure got a chuckle out of me... but those have their own threads.

Sadly, you are probably right.


The GOP will try to rewrap Oshitcare into something that isn't all that different than Oshitcare.



Either way, nobody should vote for Medicaid for all. That is a disaster.


PS: By the way, the Dems didn't beat the GOP with a stick at Midterms with Oshitcare, they beat the Dems with Anti-Trump warfare. Period. That is the Dem platform. And they are gonna ride that bitch till she quits.

[linrom1]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

He was elected on repeal and replace with something great.

He failed to repeal.
He failed to replace.
He took a broken law.
Broke it worse.
And tweets Mitch and Nancy should fix it.

Democrats are going to use this as a stick and beat the GOP senseless with it.

In case you missed it... they already did once... a month ago.

You got this right. Trump has no path to victory in 2020. He is not going to win in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania with health insurance becoming the single most important issue to voters.

The way ACA was written, it affects parts of Medicare, insurance (or lack of) for those with pre-existing conditions, Medicaid, exchange sponsored health plans and who knows what else.

There are now even additional red states planning to expand Medicaid. So what is going to happen now? Trump offers nothing!

Even though I think that ACA will ultimately survive appeal in higher courts because there is nothing in ACA law now without the mandate and penalty requirement that makes it unconstitutional, Trump lost any credibility he had on this issue. He can't be trusted with this issue which for many people is difference between life or death.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by linrom1

You got this right. Trump has no path to victory in 2020. He is not going to win in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania with health insurance becoming the single most important issue to voters.

The way ACA was written, it affects parts of Medicare, insurance (or lack of) for those with pre-existing conditions, Medicaid, exchange sponsored health plans and who knows what else.

There are now even additional red states planning to expand Medicaid. So what is going to happen now? Trump offers nothing!

Even though I think that ACA will ultimately survive appeal in higher courts because there is nothing in ACA law now without the mandate and penalty requirement that makes it unconstitutional, Trump lost any credibility he had on this issue. He can't be trusted with this issue which for many people is difference between life or death.

Ohio seems to be a safe red state at the moment. Barring Brown running on the ticket that still seems likely.

Michigan and Pennsylvania are gone. They're blue territory now.

Florida is gonna Florida.

Without Wisconsin (toss up right now) there is no path to victory for Trump.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Ohio seems to be a safe red state at the moment. Barring Brown running on the ticket that still seems likely.

Michigan and Pennsylvania are gone. They're blue territory now.

Florida is gonna Florida.

Without Wisconsin (toss up right now) there is no path to victory for Trump.

You guys are insane.


If the Blue spends the next 2 years trying to incriminate Trump while doing absolutely nothing for their constituents, they are gonna lose. And that is exactly what they have coming down the pike.


They also have a bunch of Froshies on the Hill that are bending over for the old guard unlike what they promised. If Pelosi and Schumer are still the face of the Blue party come 2020, then they have absolutely failed.


The complete and total hypocrisy of the Blue is gonna be on full display for the country to watch in 2019. At some point in time, even the bluest of blues is gonna be able see the 100 tons of garbage in their own backyard.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Wanna wager on the outcome?

why would he do that? Knowing the courts the way they swing back and forth. Why don't you just ask him to wager on the 2025 Derby,.......... just use post positions. It's about the same

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

You guys are insane.


If the Blue spends the next 2 years trying to incriminate Trump while doing absolutely nothing for their constituents, they are gonna lose. And that is exactly what they have coming down the pike.


They also have a bunch of Froshies on the Hill that are bending over for the old guard unlike what they promised. If Pelosi and Schumer are still the face of the Blue party come 2020, then they have absolutely failed.


The complete and total hypocrisy of the Blue is gonna be on full display for the country to watch in 2019. At some point in time, even the bluest of blues is gonna be able see the 100 tons of garbage in their own backyard.

What exactly do you expect Democrats to do with a Republican Senate and a "whatever he is" WH?

Why would their legislative expectations be any higher, in your estimation, that the extremely low bar set by the preceding Congress?

They are going to be a party of no. Nancy is going to stomp Trump all over D.C. if Monday was any indication of what's to come.

The only hope for legislative breakthrough will be if Nancy and Mitch agree to play nice and ignore the WH.

[FakeNameChanged]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Ohio seems to be a safe red state at the moment. Barring Brown running on the ticket that still seems likely.

Michigan and Pennsylvania are gone. They're blue territory now.

Florida is gonna Florida.

Without Wisconsin (toss up right now) there is no path to victory for Trump.

I'm predicting Trump doesn't run in 2020. (12/2018)

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Whosonfirst

I'm predicting Trump doesn't run in 2020. (12/2018)

Certainly more likely than him winning.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

What exactly do you expect Democrats to do with a Republican Senate and a "whatever he is" WH?

Why would their legislative expectations be any higher, in your estimation, that the extremely low bar set by the preceding Congress?

They are going to be a party of no. Nancy is going to stomp Trump all over D.C. if Monday was any indication of what's to come.

The only hope for legislative breakthrough will be if Nancy and Mitch agree to play nice and ignore the WH.

If you think NancyPants stomped all over Trump on Monday, then I have little hope for you and/or your cause.



Good luck. Have a great weekend.

[fast4522]

No one here is willing to admit exactly what is wrong and the underlying facts, only what they want. Once exposed the 32 TRILLION price tag will have no votes. The only solution is more jobs with health care, ones that require high end employees. And getting rid of illegals faster because they drain ALL resources like hospitals, schools, police and many more not mentioned. Fixing the numbers will take decades, until the numbers are equalized the problem will be too big to take on. Say what you want until you are blue in the face, NO one is going to rescue anyone.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by sammy the sage

Nah...he was SUPPOSED to have a BETTER system...but yet again...EPIC failure by the repugs on THIS topic...just like in THE Bush years...do NOTHING for the working middle / lower class...health care wise...

it's congress job to come up with the better system

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by fast4522

No one here is willing to admit exactly what is wrong and the underlying facts, only what they want. Once exposed the 32 TRILLION price tag will have no votes. The only solution is more jobs with health care, ones that require high end employees. And getting rid of illegals faster because they drain ALL resources like hospitals, schools, police and many more not mentioned. Fixing the numbers will take decades, until the numbers are equalized the problem will be too big to take on. Say what you want until you are blue in the face, NO one is going to rescue anyone.

Notice how no one attacks this post, because no legit post can.