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Old 11-12-2014, 06:16 AM   #31
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The only real stupidity in the health care debate was shown by people who had known people screwed by the insurance companies and yet still believed it could not happen to them. That if faced with large medical bills, their company would suddenly grow a heart when dealing with them or that their employer would actually have some pull to help them out.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:09 AM   #32
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The only real stupidity in the health care debate was shown by people who had known people screwed by the insurance companies and yet still believed it could not happen to them. That if faced with large medical bills, their company would suddenly grow a heart when dealing with them or that their employer would actually have some pull to help them out.
Why should the insurance company 'grow a heart'? They made a contract with the consumer to provide certain benefits for a certain price. As long as they fulfill their obligations, what more do you want from them? Listen, sometimes life hands you a bag of poop. Quit asking others to take the bag from you. Unfortunately, you've been suckered into the "evil insurance company" mantra, when the root of health care costs are based elsewhere, like drug companies, hospitals, and our penchant for litigating everything under the sun without limits.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:35 AM   #33
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Why should the insurance company 'grow a heart'? They made a contract with the consumer to provide certain benefits for a certain price. As long as they fulfill their obligations, what more do you want from them? Listen, sometimes life hands you a bag of poop. Quit asking others to take the bag from you. Unfortunately, you've been suckered into the "evil insurance company" mantra, when the root of health care costs are based elsewhere, like drug companies, hospitals, and our penchant for litigating everything under the sun without limits.
The point of my post is that they didn't and they didn't have too in many states. The policy you got when you sign up was not worth the paper it was written on. I was not sucked up by the "evil mantra", I lived through it. In my state, at least, you could not sue a health insurance if they refused to pay. Somewhere you got the idea that insurance companies were bound by the policies they wrote. They were not. I learned that the hard way to the turn of over a quarter of a million dollars. You are one of the ignorant ones. Sorry but the reality does not fit into your neatly packaged views of the way you think the world is, in this case anyway.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:17 AM   #34
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The point of my post is that they didn't and they didn't have too in many states. The policy you got when you sign up was not worth the paper it was written on. I was not sucked up by the "evil mantra", I lived through it. In my state, at least, you could not sue a health insurance if they refused to pay. Somewhere you got the idea that insurance companies were bound by the policies they wrote. They were not. I learned that the hard way to the turn of over a quarter of a million dollars. You are one of the ignorant ones. Sorry but the reality does not fit into your neatly packaged views of the way you think the world is, in this case anyway.
The rules are different in SC. I can appeal to the state for a decision I disagree with. Maybe Nebraska should have this simple rule. Seems fair. I don't know the background to your story, but there are two sides to every story, and I suspect you and the insurance company were on different pages with regard to what your policy covered.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:21 AM   #35
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This guy is a douche
You know he is bad when Howard Dean thinks so too.

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Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean gave an excoriating critique of his own party’s key piece of legislation, Obamacare, saying it was “put together by a bunch of elitists” who “don’t fundamentally understand the American people.”

Speaking to MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski on Wednesday, Dean was shocked that Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber said “the stupidity of the American voter” was a “political advantage” in passing Obamacare.

“The problem is not that he said it. The problem is that he thinks it,” Dean said. “The core problem under the damn law is it was put together by a bunch of elitists who don’t fundamentally understand the American people. That’s what the problem is.”
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:26 AM   #36
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I'm thinking Howard just lost his spot on mostpost's Christmas card list.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:27 AM   #37
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It's amazing to me how accepting the lefties are about lying. We told them all along it was a bunch of lies, now it's been verified directly by someone who would know, and its like they don't care. Their side can get away with any transgression and they're always A-OK with it. When this guy talks about the stupidity of the American voter, he's talking about the base of the democratic party, yet they don't seem to know or care. "Trample on us all you want, we'll still love you" seems to be the response.

I remember GHWB was vilified by the right for breaking his "Read my lips" pledge. On the right we don't like to be lied to and we don't forget.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:28 AM   #38
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In a third video, Gruber says that the tax on "Cadillac" health insurance plans cleverly exploits the ignorance of the American voters.

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“It’s a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter,” Gruber, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said during a speech at the University of Rhode Island in November 2012.

He was discussing what is known as the Cadillac tax and how it came into being.
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I'm thinking Howard just lost his spot on mostpost's Christmas card list.
Howard Dean's problem is that he is a moonbat, but he is too honest about it to succeed long term in Democratic politics.
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This guy Gruber is more fun than Joe Biden's speeches. Now he says that opposition to ObamaCare, including the pending SCOTUS case about subsidies, is just a GOP plot to confuse the American people.

Apparently he thinks that confusing the American people about ObamaCare is as low as you can go.

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Gruber told Boston-area public broadcaster WGBH late Tuesday that the upcoming Supreme Court case which challenges whether Obamacare allows subsidies in federally-run exchanges is, in fact, a Republican attempt to confuse the American people.

“I think this comes to the master strategy of the Republican Party, which is to confuse people enough about the law so that they don’t understand the subsidies they’re getting are because of the law,” Gruber said.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:43 AM   #41
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... When this guy talks about the stupidity of the American voter, he's talking about the base of the democratic party, yet they don't seem to know or care. ...
This is the part that needs repeating over and over. This is really how dumb the people he is talking about are.

He isn't talking about conservatives. He isn't talking about Republicans. He's talking about his people. He's talking about mostpost, NJStinks, Ben Affleck, and whoever else has been the roughly half of the population that didn't declare it a pile of steamy lies from the outset.

And those are the same people that will defend him up and down.

Yes, it's true. He's absolutely, one-thousand and four percent correct.
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Old 11-12-2014, 12:30 PM   #42
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It is sad that this bill/law was not about health insurance reform but rather health insurance welfare.
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It's amazing to me how accepting the lefties are about lying. We told them all along it was a bunch of lies, now it's been verified directly by someone who would know, and its like they don't care. Their side can get away with any transgression and they're always A-OK with it. When this guy talks about the stupidity of the American voter, he's talking about the base of the democratic party, yet they don't seem to know or care. "Trample on us all you want, we'll still love you" seems to be the response.

I remember GHWB was vilified by the right for breaking his "Read my lips" pledge. On the right we don't like to be lied to and we don't forget.
The stupidity I'm most concerned about is insurance companies being allowed to drop people who get sick. Or the stupidity involved in allowing insurance companies to raise insurance premiums and/or decline coverage to people who are sick. I also find it incredibly stupid that in 2014 people are still arguing about whether or not healthcare is an American luxury or a basic American right.

So yea, I'll accept a few "lies" for what I perceive to be the greater good.
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Ridiculous. Why even live in a constitutional republic if you want someone to decide what is for "the greater good" and lie to get it? This place is doomed.
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So yea, I'll accept a few "lies" for what I perceive to be the greater good.
Sure, the ends always justify the means. Not a surprise.
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