ACA: ...call it the stupidity of the American voter

[johnhannibalsmith]

Jesus man, you're really going to waste an hour of your life going back and forth to defend Nancy Pelosi in general and to a bunch of conservatives specifically?

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Jesus man, you're really going to waste an hour of your life going back and forth to defend Nancy Pelosi in general and to a bunch of conservatives specifically?

Is that topic in some way a lower standard of pointless back and forth than what normally goes on here 24/7?

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Jesus man, you're really going to waste an hour of your life going back and forth to defend Nancy Pelosi in general and to a bunch of conservatives specifically?

Jesus posts on this forum?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Is that topic in some way a lower standard of pointless back and forth than what normally goes on here 24/7?

Defending Pelosi?

Yeah, it's one thing to defend a principle or a belief or even some ludicrous theory about a missing jet.

But Pelosi?

Who does that?

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

Yeah, it's one thing to defend a principle or a belief or even some ludicrous theory about a missing jet.

But Pelosi?

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Wow! A second acorn in the same day.

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day." But on second thought, when has Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or the Democratic Party, or for that matter, any of the libs on PA ever been correct two times in any 24 hour period?

[AndyC]

Just watched Gruber interview on MSNBC and he continued his lying ways. Go to 31:34 of the video to watch him explain how the ACA subsidies were restricted for people signing up on state exchanges to coerce the states to participate. On MSNBC he stated emphatically how subsidies were meant for everyone and that the restriction to the state exchanges was a mere typo.

Of course he would only go on MSNBC to make such an outlandish claim.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Go to 31:34 of the video to watch him explain how the ACA subsidies were restricted for people signing up on state exchanges to coerce the states to participate.

He was for coercion before he was against it?

Gruber was called on this point before:

Gruber explains: "My subsequent statement was just a speak-o—you know, like a typo."

So he is recalibrating his speak-o again?

Warning to politicians and other BSers: nothing dies on the internet.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Clocker

He was for coercion before he was against it?

Gruber was called on this point before:



So he is recalibrating his speak-o again?

Warning to politicians and other BSers: nothing dies on the internet.

He also said that the 2013 comments shouldn't be taken too seriously because they were made off-the-cuff. Does that mean that he just makes stuff up when he speaks to sound interesting? Or does it mean that he is a despicable elitist who will stop at nothing to "help" us because only he is smart enough to know the answers?

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by AndyC

He also said that the 2013 comments shouldn't be taken too seriously because they were made off-the-cuff. Does that mean that he just makes stuff up when he speaks to sound interesting? Or does it mean that he is a despicable elitist who will stop at nothing to "help" us because only he is smart enough to know the answers?

No, it means he can lie through his teeth whenever he feels like it and the only time he might consider being more forthcoming is if he is inside a courtroom.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by AndyC

He also said that the 2013 comments shouldn't be taken too seriously because they were made off-the-cuff. Does that mean that he just makes stuff up when he speaks to sound interesting? Or does it mean that he is a despicable elitist who will stop at nothing to "help" us because only he is smart enough to know the answers?

Or it might mean that he was speaking on a panel at a big high-power conference of elites, and he was just showing off his elitist chops to see who could come up with the best put down of the stupid common folk. But he really has their best interests in mind.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

No, it means he can lie through his teeth whenever he feels like it and the only time he might consider being more forthcoming is if he is inside a courtroom.

It's not lying, it's just politics. Rahm Emanuel's brother, Zeke, is a doctor and Obama's top medical adviser. When Obama was slammed for saying if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and it turned out to be not true, Zeke came to his defense.

According to Zeke, what Obama really meant was that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, but you might have to pay more to do so. But, said Zeke, the part about paying more is the small print, and you don't put the small print in political speeches.

Do you understand that now, you typical American voter?

The small print: typical stupid American voter.

[davew]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Whenever I see someone post that quote by Pelosi, I question their understanding of how government works and how bills are passed. Nancy Pelosi is a lot smarter than you. That's not an insult; she is also a lot smarter than me. She understands how bills are passed and what happens after they are passed.

Changes are made to bills right up to the final vote, so while you might hope for a certain result; that is not guaranteed until the bill is passed. Even then there are no guarantees. Once the bill is passed and signed into law, it has to be implemented. The appropriate department has to publish rules relating to the new law. Sometimes these rules may change the meaning of parts of the law.

Someone may challenge the law in court. That has certainly been done in the case of the ACA. Courts must decide on how to interpret what Congress has written. Nancy Pelosi was wrong. We don't find out what is in the law after it passes. Sometimes we need to wait years longer to find out.

Your understanding of Congress is how it is supposed to work, not how it has been working lately. This 'comprehensive plan' was pushed through with no discussion, no amendment attempts, nothing allowed by Reid and Pelosi. Once it was passed as a law, it should have been followed as written, not having a president saying, 'well, this part we are going to wait a year or two on' - virtually making amendments to the law on his whim...


The 'no action' Republicans have over 200 House bills sent to Congress that Reid refuses to even bring up. Guess what, in a few months the president is going to be the 'no action' president, who will veto many bills.

The Affordable Care Act was presented fraudulently to the American people. As a law, it will have to be 'fixed' to become workable as an insurance reform ( possibly malpractice or medicare limiting ). The impact on the country is still too early to tell.

Whether Nancy Pelosi is or is not smarter than either of us is unclear, but she knows how Washington works. This 'transparent' administration will have a lasting impact on the Democratic party as even the diehards should be able to see the hypocrisy of the current administration.

[Clocker]

Oops, another "speak-o" video of Herr Gruber calling the American voters stupid.

Yet another video has emerged of MIT professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber calling Americans “stupid,” and bragging about how the Affordable Care Act’s drafters had to deceive the public in order to pass the law.

Story here.

[JustRalph]

Hello?

This guy is a douche