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11-21-2018, 07:52 AM
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Samantha Power really upset at Trump over Saudi's killing Journalist
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11-21-2018, 09:53 AM
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This gal suffers from a very bad case of mental myopia. She's certainly blinded to the whole forest due to one tree she has chosen to plant her nose upon.
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11-21-2018, 10:01 AM
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The killing was a Saudi "domestic affair."
Unfortunate and horrific as it was, nations should not meddle in the domestic affairs of other nations.
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11-21-2018, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Greyfox
The killing was a Saudi "domestic affair."
Unfortunate and horrific as it was, nations should not meddle in the domestic affairs of other nations.
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Putin also kills his enemies in foreign countries too.
sometimes you just have to say when things are wrong.
Nobody is "meddling".
Saying something is wrong is not "meddling"
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11-21-2018, 10:28 AM
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European Jews and other undersirables were put to death by the Nazis
Is it "meddling" to say it is wrong to do that.
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11-21-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Putin also kills his enemies in foreign countries too.
sometimes you just have to say when things are wrong.
Nobody is "meddling".
Saying something is wrong is not "meddling"
Allan
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But when the left wants Trump to censure or severely curtail decent foreign relations we have with the Saudis because of their own domestic issue, that would amount to U.S. meddling into an internal domestic affair.
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11-21-2018, 11:02 AM
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I should have said:
Nations should not meddle in the domestic affairs of other nations, except when genocide is being committed.
Of course, no nation should condone murder and should say so.
There's a report this morning that a U.S. tourist was murdered on a very remote island off India by seven natives with bows and arrows.
https://www.france24.com/en/20181121...g-indian-tribe
I don't think you'll see the Press and MSM screaming about that death.
The fact that a journalist was killed by the Saudis has given this affair much more prominence than it normally would receive.
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11-21-2018, 11:07 AM
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11-21-2018, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Putin also kills his enemies in foreign countries too.
sometimes you just have to say when things are wrong.
Nobody is "meddling".
Saying something is wrong is not "meddling"
Allan
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We have killed our fair share of people too. We are not innocent. We meddle everywhere.
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11-21-2018, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by azeri98
We have killed our fair share of people too. We are not innocent.
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I wonder if the Clinton Cartel could elaborate on that history.
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11-21-2018, 03:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
Putin also kills his enemies in foreign countries too.
sometimes you just have to say when things are wrong.
Nobody is "meddling".
Saying something is wrong is not "meddling"
Allan
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Taking action against another country and/or its citizens is meddling. Nazi Germany had no right to impose its will. i.e. its ideals and morals on other countries through threats and finally force. Also, we do not have the moral or legal right to impose our so-called morals and ideals on other nations or its citizens, except when enforcing the right of self-defense. In this scenario there is no self-defense issue.
Supposedly the U.N. was created to deal with problems between nations and inside nations. This is a problem between nations, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, over the treatment of a Saudi subject on Saudi territory located in Turkey. The U.N. is the proper forum to address this issue, and it is not in the purview of any individual country to impose its morals upon another country's treatment of its citizens.
If the U.N. cannot credible address such issues, it is a worthless organization by failing to perform its core duty.
The U.S. has no moral or legal right to intercede. Of course, if we are so morally outraged we have the right to cut all ties with Saudi Arabia, but we have no right to intercede taking selective action against the country or its citizens.
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11-21-2018, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Taking action against another country and/or its citizens is meddling. Nazi Germany had no right to impose its will. i.e. its ideals and morals on other countries through threats and finally force. Also, we do not have the moral or legal right to impose our so-called morals and ideals on other nations or its citizens, except when enforcing the right of self-defense. In this scenario there is no self-defense issue.
Supposedly the U.N. was created to deal with problems between nations and inside nations. This is a problem between nations, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, over the treatment of a Saudi subject on Saudi territory located in Turkey. The U.N. is the proper forum to address this issue, and it is not in the purview of any individual country to impose its morals upon another country's treatment of its citizens.
If the U.N. cannot credible address such issues, it is a worthless organization by failing to perform its core duty.
The U.S. has no moral or legal right to intercede. Of course, if we are so morally outraged we have the right to cut all ties with Saudi Arabia, but we have no right to intercede taking selective action against the country or its citizens.
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Not only that, but this whole Saudi thing is blown way, way out proportion. Has anyone heard any outcry from the lamestream media or the left from all the murders of journalists in Mexico over the years!? Mexico has a horrible track record for keeping foreign journalists alive! (And the operative word is "horrible"!) One would think that the CNNs of this world would be demanding that the U.S. server all diplomatic ties with our not-so-mighty-fine neighbor to the south.
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11-21-2018, 06:46 PM
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After 9-11 when we continued to do business with the Saudis we became a business instead of a country in my eyes. I'm sure things were going on long before that. But 9-11 was eye opening. Intercourse the Saudis........
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11-21-2018, 06:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by biggestal99
European Jews and other undersirables were put to death by the Nazis
Is it "meddling" to say it is wrong to do that.
Allan
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We were allies with Stalin. Was that wrong of FDR, or was he selecting the best of two bad options? Same here. Easy choice between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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11-21-2018, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
We were allies with Stalin. Was that wrong of FDR, or was he selecting the best of two bad options? Same here. Easy choice between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
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And Obama can Shirley attest to that. He had no problem making nice to Iran.
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