The Official Trump Collapsing Thread

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by davew

and after the next election when the dimocrats win control over the House, they are going to impeach him


does that mean he will have to quit, or can he just finish his term like Bill Clinton

Term? Slick Willy went 2 terms even with getting hummers from interns.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by reckless

Oh I get it Trump's successes have nothing to do with Trump but his 'failures' are all his fault. I know most of the free world haven't read as many books as you have but what is about knowing nothing yet being so sure of yourself?

'The Wall' should be paid for by US taxpayers. I've personally said so every time you people made an issue of it. Only an idiot would call this a Trump failure -- a US president securing the border of the country, as mandated by the US Constitution is something you call a failure --

ObamaCare died when the 2017 Tax Bill was passed by Congress and signed by Trump. It killed the individual and employee mandate -- that was the heart and soul of ObamaCare.

Common sense deniers may wish to delude themselves by the hour but yet again, your assessment is completely wrong. Trump killed ObamaCare, like it or not.

You forgot to mention TPP, leaving the Paris Climate Change Hustle, moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem... why is that? I guess they are failures too in your eyes, and you forgot to mention it.

NAFTA ... we'll get back to that at another time. As Iran.

Good luck getting thru another great Trump day... another record on Wall Street; jobs report... It must be tough living through all this greatness. Especially when you called everything wrong in November/December/January...

The guy can't help it, he has dogs in the race. Instead of ripping his tickets he pockets them. He views us as mean, but does not understand economics is not inside our Constitution.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by davew

and after the next election when the dimocrats win control over the House, they are going to impeach him


does that mean he will have to quit, or can he just finish his term like Bill Clinton

Who knows if he winds up finishing his term, even by his own choice, but his ability to get anything done is now gone.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

The guy can't help it, he has dogs in the race. Instead of ripping his tickets he pockets them. He views us as mean, but does not understand economics is not inside our Constitution.

Glad to see Bannon is still crusading for Trump.

Sincerely,

Mr. Never Right

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by reckless

Oh I get it Trump's successes have nothing to do with Trump but his 'failures' are all his fault. I know most of the free world haven't read as many books as you have but what is about knowing nothing yet being so sure of yourself?

'The Wall' should be paid for by US taxpayers. I've personally said so every time you people made an issue of it. Only an idiot would call this a Trump failure -- a US president securing the border of the country, as mandated by the US Constitution is something you call a failure --

ObamaCare died when the 2017 Tax Bill was passed by Congress and signed by Trump. It killed the individual and employee mandate -- that was the heart and soul of ObamaCare.

Common sense deniers may wish to delude themselves by the hour but yet again, your assessment is completely wrong. Trump killed ObamaCare, like it or not.

You forgot to mention TPP, leaving the Paris Climate Change Hustle, moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem... why is that? I guess they are failures too in your eyes, and you forgot to mention it.

NAFTA ... we'll get back to that at another time. As Iran.

Good luck getting thru another great Trump day... another record on Wall Street; jobs report... It must be tough living through all this greatness. Especially when you called everything wrong in November/December/January...

The ACA is not dead. Taking an existing program and gutting it in a way that screws your average American who took advantage of it and will require government bailouts is not a repeal... so it's sure as hell isn't a replacement with something great.

As far as the "successes" let's start shall we...

The TPP: Backing out of this deal hurt us significantly with our allies in the Pacific Rim who invested serious political capital to get it done. China is now stepping in to fill the void. Great job.

The Paris Climate Accord: I don't know how this is a victory. The Accords had no enforcement clause so there was no penalty for not following through with it. Basically you just pissed off all of the countries who signed on to it when you simply could of just ignored it.

PRO-TIP: We already weren't following it to begin with.

So if president Trump wants to claim a victory by backing out of a deal we didn't have to, that we weren't following anyway, at the expense of pissing off allies, when just ignoring it existed would have worked fine and what we were doing anyway... I guess... yeah it's a win.

The Embassy: If finally following through with a Clinton Era piece of legislation and moving an embassy is a big deal to you... you've got pretty low expectations for a guy promising your YUUUGE and BIGLY things.

As far as NAFTA and Tariffs and Iran... Yeah, no, not happening during an election year. Anything done will be piecemeal like the Paris Climate Accords or Iran Deal with the old administration. A way of claiming victory with the "something is better than nothing" approach... kinda like instead of repeal and replace it's "Hey I got rid of the mandate..."

#winning

[Tom]

Trump, the gift that keeps on giving!

Such whining....he MUST doing it right!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Trump, the gift that keeps on giving!

Such whining....he MUST doing it right!

No whining in that post. This stuff is small potatoes. Moving an embassy and formally backing out of a deal we didn't have to and weren't following isn't that big of a deal to me. As far as TPP:

China rolling out its TPP alternative after it IS exit.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Glad to see Bannon is still crusading for Trump.

Sincerely,

Mr. Never Right

You proclaimed conservatives pushing hard for socialist programs do not put you into the conservative column, I am so glad Obamacare got gutted in tax reform. So President Trump fires people, it is a positive thing for all well organized and run administrations.

Seriously elysiantraveller, anything your strongly for we are more than happy to evaluate likely to be against. I agree with the other poster saying your continued score of being wrong continues into January.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You proclaimed conservatives pushing hard for socialist programs do not put you into the conservative column, I am so glad Obamacare got gutted in tax reform. So President Trump fires people, it is a positive thing for all well organized and run administrations.

Seriously elysiantraveller, anything your strongly for we are more than happy to evaluate likely to be against. I agree with the other poster saying your continued score of being wrong continues into January.

Name one socialist program I've pushed hard for. Use that handy search tool up top and find me one. Go ahead. Find ONE.

I was right in that Trump and Bannon were on the outs. Sorry that's one for me.

[FantasticDan]

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[fast4522]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Name one socialist program I've pushed hard for. Use that handy search tool up top and find me one. Go ahead. Find ONE.

I was right in that Trump and Bannon were on the outs. Sorry that's one for me.

Obamacare is socialist program, and a bad product. forced middle class to pay for something not affordable to use for the full time worker. Unrealistically inexpensive for those who hardly work.

You pushed it and still do.
As I said before, it works if you don't work.

[Tom]

Some people are smart and even genius, and others are obsessed.
Dan laughs, but Trump is tweeting reality.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...18475877765120
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19270631256064

Good points Mr. President.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Obamacare is socialist program, and a bad product. forced middle class to pay for something not affordable to use for the full time worker. Unrealistically inexpensive for those who hardly work.

You pushed it and still do.
As I said before, it works if you don't work.

Please post where I pushed it.

Originally Posted by ACA on Businesses

Okay so now you are admitting it could be the cause for layoffs?...

Pray tell, based on your extensive understanding of the law, what benefits are these companies not 'realizing?' Here are the three basic scenario's again since you missed it last time around.

1) You don't offer health insurance but now you do so you have to pay part of the plan = added expense.
2) You don't offer health insurance and decide to continue not offering it and pay a $2,000 penalty for every employee you have over the 50 worker threshold = added expense.
3) You do offer health insurance (see #1) but your employee's elect not to take it for whatever reason so you pay a penalty based on the current exchange rate for health insurance in your market = added expense.

This will make the 3rd time I've explained, and been ignored, this law and how it affects companies on this thread. Not surprisingly you guys have gone from denial, to mitigating, to now blatant dismissiveness followed by baseless declarations such as this gem:

"Even if there are some layoffs initially, they will soon be reversed when companies realize the benefits of the law."

Are you really so arrogant to think that a mere platitude demonstrates your ability to "see through" a 2300 page piece of legislation and how it affects business better than the millions of real working business owners in this country?

Originally Posted by It will never work

HCR was designed to break the system...

When you look at the bill in its entirety is looks too absurd to be real. What a lot of people in the industry believe is that is was designed to break the major medical system paving the way to a single payor.

Originally Posted by It cripples insurers

You kinda just made his point though. This situation isn't the same. Your health plan was actuarily based where everyone paid the same and the plan was solvent. Under the current system its the exact opposite where "young" are needed for actuarial solvency and thus forced in many situations to over insure themselves. Further proof that this is nothing like your old plan is the existence of tax-payer subsidies where everyone now is being made to leverage the lower income enrollees.

Your explanation actually shows just how different your plan was compared to what the ACA is. The ACA forces leverage of young on old and upper to lower class. None of this is based on how insurance actually works.

FYI: Most of those were directed at Mosty.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...18475877765120
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19270631256064

He’s the worlds greatest troll.......he must be laughing his ass off