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06-28-2016, 10:03 AM
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Mamma Kimbo
Join Date: Mar 2012
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superfecta strategy
Do you guys approach this thru a key or a part wheel strategy.
A / BCD/ BCDE/ BCDE or A / BCDE key . Does anyone prefer to frontload more combos.
Thanks for any input.
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06-28-2016, 03:59 PM
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
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I try to pick a winner first.
If it's one of the favorites, i single him on top
Fav
Then I want a price horse to key either just 3rd and 4th or 2nd-4th. If I can't find a price, I skip the race. Ultra chalky supers are not my thing.
= FAV/abc/abcd/PRICE and FAV/abc/PRICE/abcd
if it's a spread race, maybe I use 3 on top, and pyramid from there by adding a horse or two for 3rd and 4th places.
123/123/123a/123ab
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06-28-2016, 04:29 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
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So many different strategies can be effective.....
I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.
Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.
What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.
For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.
Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.
Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.
Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:
46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60
46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60
46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60
11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.
4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.
I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).
It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.
As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.
When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.
There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.
ALL/ALL/35/35
ALL/35/ALL/35
ALL/35/35/ALL
My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.
Last edited by EMD4ME; 06-28-2016 at 04:33 PM.
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06-28-2016, 04:34 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 9,854
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
I try to pick a winner first.
If it's one of the favorites, i single him on top
Fav
Then I want a price horse to key either just 3rd and 4th or 2nd-4th. If I can't find a price, I skip the race. Ultra chalky supers are not my thing.
= FAV/abc/abcd/PRICE and FAV/abc/PRICE/abcd
if it's a spread race, maybe I use 3 on top, and pyramid from there by adding a horse or two for 3rd and 4th places.
123/123/123a/123ab
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Agreed
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06-28-2016, 05:05 PM
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clean money
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 23,559
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with xpressbet mobile (and other adw platforms as well) you can bet the denominations without having to meet a $2 minimum.
I made a bet in the 8th race @ Parx , after reading this thread
took a stab, no racing form
1/238/238/5 = cost 60cents
came in 1/6/4/2/5
so I really wasn't even close to hitting it. Paid an unusual $50 for the dime, due to the 6 and 4 being prices for place and show.
still an example of the structure i may use when i have a favorite on top.
For my minimum dice-roll type bet as above, I just like to key my price Fourth only. My reasoning is that some of the public money in a superfecta is 'pyramid shaped' (ab/abc/abcd/abcde) <--- spread on the bottom..
So singling in the 4th slot squeezes a little more value out of the wager.
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Last edited by Robert Fischer; 06-28-2016 at 05:07 PM.
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06-29-2016, 11:33 PM
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Bombardier
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,043
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I recommend doing a search for posts by raybo. He is a dedicated superfecta player and has shared many of his thoughts about the wager on the board. Check him out as I think you will like his insights.
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06-30-2016, 09:14 AM
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Scum Bum!
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Lexington, KY
Posts: 1,889
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Thaskalos' Evil Dime Super threads are worth a read as well.
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06-30-2016, 03:42 PM
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Bombardier
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,043
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tall One
Thaskalos' Evil Dime Super threads are worth a read as well.
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They are indeed.
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06-30-2016, 06:26 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: ARIZONA
Posts: 2,145
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I only play when I can isolate one position. Often in maiden or non winners of two races there is one horse that is almost certain to run 2nd. I tend to structure my tickets around that position.
In the win position, one to three contenders.
Place-sucker horse
Show one to three contenders, plus a speed horse that figures to quit. HDW did a study that indicates early speed types are more likely to run third, rather then 2nd if they don't win. This is untrue on a speed favoring track, where early speed is likely to run one-two. In this position, I include any horse that seems to have a proclivity to run 3rd. An example of this is a horse that has had 13 starts,no wins ,1 place & 4 thirds. Fine he goes in. In addition in this position I throw in the strongest closer.
For 4th, I duplicate the show runners.
This ticket is sort of bottom heavy which is logical because the 3rd & 4th spots are often the most ambiguous. In the most expensive scenario with 3 contenders on top with one sucker horse with 3 contenders & one early speed quitter & one horse that likes to run 3rd & the best closer with 3 contenders & one early speed quitter & one horse that likes to run 3rd & the best closer, we are talking 60 combinations or $6.00 on a ten cent ticket. Usually I don't play that many combinations as one of the contenders is going to also be a speed horse that may fade or is the strongest closer or there is no horse with a proclivity to run 3rd or there may only be one or two horses I like for the win spot.
I'm not recommending this kind of structure. It's the structure, I've sort of drifted into and it seems logical to me.
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06-30-2016, 06:32 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,510
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EMD4ME
So many different strategies can be effective.....
I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.
Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.
What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.
For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.
Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.
Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.
Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:
46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60
46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60
46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60
11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.
4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.
I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).
It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.
As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.
When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.
There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.
ALL/ALL/35/35
ALL/35/ALL/35
ALL/35/35/ALL
My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.
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Took a look at the chart....I can only imagine if the ( 59-1) had gotten up to beat the for 4th what your ticket would have paid....You may have scooped the pool.
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06-30-2016, 06:34 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,510
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EMD4ME
So many different strategies can be effective.....
I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.
Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.
What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.
For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.
Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.
Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.
Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:
46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60
46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60
46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60
11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.
4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.
I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).
It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.
As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.
When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.
There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.
ALL/ALL/35/35
ALL/35/ALL/35
ALL/35/35/ALL
My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.
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Just out of curiosity, what was your total investment on this particular race?
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06-30-2016, 09:29 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 9,854
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thespaah
Took a look at the chart....I can only imagine if the ( 59-1) had gotten up to beat the for 4th what your ticket would have paid....You may have scooped the pool.
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If the 7 would've gotten 4th, I would've cashed zero as my opinon was the 4 or 6 win the race AND the other runs anywhere behind ALONG with the 11 hitting the 2nd, 3rd 4th spots.
I don't have 4 10 11 7 if it comes in that way as the 6 would've been out, hence I lose.
Last edited by EMD4ME; 06-30-2016 at 09:32 PM.
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06-30-2016, 09:30 PM
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NoPoints4ME
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 9,854
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thespaah
Just out of curiosity, what was your total investment on this particular race?
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Without checking, $72 bucks on that superfecta opinion.
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07-01-2016, 01:09 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,450
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Tail wagging the dog
The entries drive the strategy, not the other way around. You also have to consider the odds. Why play supers instead of tris if you are eliminating the longest shots for 4th.
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07-01-2016, 01:37 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 9,609
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Here's two strategies that I use. I've attached two winning examples to help you follow along. I treat both of these strategies by first identifying how I would play the exacta in the race.
Strategy A piggybacks off of a (ABC)EBX bet
Strategy B piggybacks off of a (A w B,C,DE) ex key bet
Strategy A-
Leg 1- A B C
Leg 2- A B C
Leg 3- A B C D E
Leg 4- B C D E F
10 cents - $4.40; 20 cents = $8.80
Strategy B
Leg 1- A B C
Leg 2- A D E
Leg 3- B C D E
Leg 4- A D E F
10 cents - $5 ; 20 cents- $10
I usually play both tickets in a race when playing supers. Hope this was helpful.
PS. YES...I play dime and 20 cent supers.
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