Donald Trump

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

But somewhere in the back of my head there is a little voice telling me that the decent still outnumber those who would ignore Hill's blatant lawbreaking and lying.

The problem is the "average Joe and Dora" on the street don't give two hoots about politics and seldom take an interest in it until they realize how it impacts them.
As a result, if you point out Hillary's corruptness they'll either say
"What else is new...all politicians are corrupt anyways!" or
"That's just a long time conspiracy to bring down the Clintons."

That's why Bernie Sanders said:

"The American people are sick and tired of talking about your damn e-mails."

The problem is Sanders didn't understand the gravity of the threat of Clinton's use of a private e-mail server.
I'd suggest that the "average Joe and Dora" don't get it either.
They just don't.

[_______]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I caution myself when I read stuff like this, that most everyone has misunderstood everything about this campaign from day one, but now seem to have it all figured out.

I hope for your sake you are correct. Blowing the call big time, twice in an election season, will sting.

What you should caution yourself about in the inability to distinguish between the two halves of the campaign that have looked very different. The Republican only portion seemed to show a candidate that could do no wrong. But the part with a wider audience had gone exactly to script. Things that should hurt Cinton show up in her polls. And the same happens for Trump. Over and over.

I said the nomination was Trump's after New Hampshire. I don't live in denial like others. I was wrong that a major party couldn't nominate someone who failed tests of both orthodoxy and electability. But I have been right about nearly everything since.

You should check my posts during the RNC. I was tearing it up. And I was the first to note (minutes after it ended) that the Khan speech during theDNC would be consequential. You really should be paying attention I'm red hot.

[NJ Stinks]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I don't know how Hill can win so big when only 16% of the people think she is trustworthy? But then again the Democrats re-elect child molesters.

I see how she can win big, based on the electoral map. But somewhere in the back of my head there is a little voice telling me that the decent still outnumber those who would ignore Hill's blatant lawbreaking and lying.

You are setting yourself up for another huge disappointment and the related bitterness - i.e. 'people will get their guns and do whatever because we can't take this blank anymore.'

Hillary will win big because she is dropping in class in this election. It's that simple. Your party picked the wrong guy at a time when picking the right guy should have been easy.

Oh well. At least you can resort to posting stuff like "the Dems kill babies" and "the Dems re-elect child molesters" to make yourself feel morally superior.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

You are setting yourself up for another huge disappointment and the related bitterness - i.e. 'people will get their guns and do whatever because we can't take this blank anymore.'

Hillary will win big because she is dropping in class in this election. It's that simple. Your party picked the wrong guy at a time when picking the right guy should have been easy.

Oh well. At least you can resort to posting stuff like "the Dems kill babies" and "the Dems re-elect child molesters" to make yourself feel morally superior.

Was that supposed to be a quote of mine in the first paragraph?

Who was the right guy?

I believe that it's pretty obvious that being against killing babies, and not re-electing child molesters is a morally superior position. Morals don't count anymore. The Kardashian's are the new bar

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

You are setting yourself up for another huge disappointment and the related bitterness - i.e. 'people will get their guns and do whatever because we can't take this blank anymore.'

Hillary will win big because she is dropping in class in this election. It's that simple. Your party picked the wrong guy at a time when picking the right guy should have been easy.

Oh well. At least you can resort to posting stuff like "the Dems kill babies" and "the Dems re-elect child molesters" to make yourself feel morally superior.

Oh bullshit. Whomever the Reps picked would have been torn to pieces somehow by the media...the same way they tore up McCain/Palin and the same way they tore up Romney.

Don't give me this bullshit that we picked the wrong guy. Especially against the likes of someone so stuck to the establishment and someone so bought and paid for like Hillary Clinton.

It would not matter who we picked. They would be chewed up and spat out like all those before in recent times.

[Tom]

Hillary will win big because she is dropping in class in this election.

Glad to see you realize she has no class.
Never did.

[NJ Stinks]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Was that supposed to be a quote of mine in the first paragraph?

Who was the right guy?

I believe that it's pretty obvious that being against killing babies, and not re-electing child molesters is a morally superior position. Morals don't count anymore. The Kardashian's are the new bar

The quote is close enough. The right guy was Kasich. Or maybe even Rubio.

I believe a woman should have a choice. I know I would want one.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Oh bullshit. Whomever the Reps picked would have been torn to pieces somehow by the media...the same way they tore up McCain/Palin and the same way they tore up Romney.

Don't give me this bullshit that we picked the wrong guy. Especially against the likes of someone so stuck to the establishment and someone so bought and paid for like Hillary Clinton.

It would not matter who we picked. They would be chewed up and spat out like all those before in recent times.

They may have lost but the outcome of November wouldn't have been a foregone conclusion in March...

Republicans nominated the most unlikeable person in their pack.

[PaceAdvantage]

Which again begs my question on the rallies that you have no answer for...yet.

I guess the answer could be Trump is secretly paying people to show up. Not an original idea (Dems use it for various things), but it would at least be an explanation of sorts as to how someone so unlikable gets all these people to show up...and someone about equally as unlikable yet a mortal lock to win anyway (according to you) absolutely shuns the idea of holding an event where all of her fans can gather and see her and make for a great PR event.

But yeah, I forget that politicians hate stuff like that...

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Which again begs my question on the rallies that you have no answer for...yet.

I guess the answer could be Trump is secretly paying people to show up. Not an original idea (Dems use it for various things), but it would at least be an explanation of sorts as to how someone so unlikable gets all these people to show up...and someone about equally as unlikable yet a mortal lock to win anyway (according to you) absolutely shuns the idea of holding an event where all of her fans can gather and see her and make for a great PR event.

But yeah, I forget that politicians hate stuff like that...

Why are you obsessing over rallies?... I don't get that.

His supporters are rabid. He could shoot someone and they'd still support him. They are still few. The fact they choose to congregate to see their great one speak doesn't change the fact he has low support.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Why are you obsessing over rallies?... I don't get that.

His supporters are rabid. He could shoot someone and they'd still support him. They are still few. The fact they choose to congregate to see their great one speak doesn't change the fact he has low support.

Now I'm obsessing. That's an interesting term to use.

You know, I'm starting to think Trump isn't the crazy one here.

BTW, you still haven't answered....really. The answer above would apply if Trump continued to show up in the same spot every time.

And it still doesn't answer why Hillary never goes this route, when all the cults of personality in recent memory have...

I guess she's like Romney...I don't think he ever held big rallies either...or maybe this is a new thing invented by Obama and Romney was slow on the uptake...with the torch carried on by Sanders and Trump but not poor Hillary.

[PaceAdvantage]

Here's another question.

Who was the last Republican candidate who spent significant portions of multiple speeches in front of large audiences speaking about the plight of African-Americans and how he is hoping to improve their overall situation all the while having that audience respond with enthusiastic cheers and applause?

Oh, that's right. None.

Yes, I'm sure you'll say this is just another con job by Trump, or he's a closet liberal because only liberals talk like that...or some other nonsense.

But even this he gets zero credit for...it's historical what he's been doing out on the campaign trail recently, and it's tossed aside basically.

It will be interesting to see how this upcoming predominantly black audience responds to Trump...if the event even happens...and how many people will show up.

[jk3521]

Give Trump credit for trying. He really wants this bad. !

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by _______

It's the grotesque egotism combined with utter incompetence of the man I despise.

If you want to frame this as virtue vs. corruption, I have to ask a question. Why do you think virtue is losing so badly?

My answer is that virtue is so full of itself it didn't think it needed help from anyone. It simply stared at its own beautiful reflection while running a campaign that a high school dropout would know was driving majorities to the other candidate.

He will go down in history as one of the worst major party candidates ever to win a nomination. And the lost opportunity along with the chorus of people here who still think this campaign was a good idea bothers me. I don't think people actually understand how bad this is going to be for Republicans.

Again, all of that is so irrelevant compared to political corruption run amok in our government.

You clearly aren't considering what is truly important for the country to let your personal animous over frivolity supercede what should be everyone's contempt and fight against government corruption.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

it's historical what he's been doing out on the campaign trail recently

It's a clown show. His audience likes the circus.