Fractional Time Errors

[Tom]

Hand times might as well be made up.
Made probably closer to reality.

I know it's not your fault, it is the fault of incompetent racetracks taking the easy way out.

ALL TRACKS are capable of doing what CJ does with video.
Those that do not should NOT be played - EVER.

Frankly, IMHO, Equibase should have STANDARDS for accepting timings - ie, NO HAND TIMES ever accepted, used, printed, or stored.

[cj]

Originally Posted by ubercapper

Regarding CTM for 7/13. There are now hand times in the charts (and database) for races 2, 3, 4 and 7. The hand times for the other races will be in the chart and database shortly.

7-14 have some races completely blank also. If they are going to wait and do it after the fact, I hope they are using video.

[sjk]

Originally Posted by cj

Canterbury, 7-3, R4. This race is mistimed about as badly as any you will ever see, at least 6 seconds too slow and probably more.

I thought they ran that one at the wrong distance. I thought Arlington ran one at the wrong distance a few weeks ago too.

[cj]

Originally Posted by sjk

I thought they ran that one at the wrong distance. I thought Arlington ran one at the wrong distance a few weeks ago too.

I thought so too when I saw the time but I don't think it was the case after watching and timing it.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Tom

Hand times might as well be made up.

In mule racing the hand times often make more sense than the electronic times.

[cj]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

In mule racing the hand times often make more sense than the electronic times.

Don't they time from the gate?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by cj

Don't they time from the gate?

Only when it theoretically works.

When it doesn't work or it's at a distance they don't time, they give a hand timed result. I spoke to someone at the organizing body about how trustworthy the hand times are and was assured that multiple people are timing the races because the times are so key to classing each mule. The hand times seem fine to me in most cases. Some of the electronic ones almost can't be right.

[cj]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Only when it theoretically works.

When it doesn't work or it's at a distance they don't time, they give a hand timed result. I spoke to someone at the organizing body about how trustworthy the hand times are and was assured that multiple people are timing the races because the times are so key to classing each mule. The hand times seem fine to me in most cases. Some of the electronic ones almost can't be right.

Scary but unfortunately not surprising.

[Prof.Factor]

When you see back-to-back double zero times like 22.00 45.00 ...... that's 10,000 to 1 .... automatically suspect in my book.

Very long time ago on a Nationally Televised horse race, one of the big name hosts told a story about when he was younger and in charge of reporting times (or something related to times) and how he ONCE made up a time he didn't have, and ended the story with "and nobody was ever the wiser."
All I thought was, "as far as you know ..... a-hole".

[cj]

Originally Posted by Prof.Factor

When you see back-to-back double zero times like 22.00 45.00 ...... that's 10,000 to 1 .... automatically suspect in my book.

Very long time ago on a Nationally Televised horse race, one of the big name hosts told a story about when he was younger and in charge of reporting times (or something related to times) and how he ONCE made up a time he didn't have, and ended the story with "and nobody was ever the wiser."
All I thought was, "as far as you know ..... a-hole".

Any of the tracks you see listed in the old fifths (.00, .20, .40, etc) are all hand timed.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by cj View Post
Don't they time from the gate?

NYRA has a problem for that solution - put the gate in the wrong place!

[Prof.Factor]

Yeah, I've been doing figs for 30 years, so kinda familiar with times.

Even the hand times converted to fifths is caveman-ish. I hand-timed all the races for 13th and 14th at CTM with my phone's stopwatch.
Still in hundreths and more than confident in accuracy. Timed 16th poles to nullify camera angle discrepancies. And since I bet with my information (as opposed to suppliers), I don't hesitate in re-timing to make sure I'm accurate.
Main reason I make my own figures is I use them to bet with while others that make figures might just be punching a clock.
I'm sure they are all not like you, CJ!

[cj]

Originally Posted by Prof.Factor

Yeah, I've been doing figs for 30 years, so kinda familiar with times.

Even the hand times converted to fifths is caveman-ish. I hand-timed all the races for 13th and 14th at CTM with my phone's stopwatch.
Still in hundreths and more than confident in accuracy. Timed 16th poles to nullify camera angle discrepancies. And since I bet with my information (as opposed to suppliers), I don't hesitate in re-timing to make sure I'm accurate.
Main reason I make my own figures is I use them to bet with while others that make figures might just be punching a clock.
I'm sure they are all not like you, CJ!

Cool, I certainly don't think I'm the only one out there doing this stuff. You probably wish I'd keep quiet!

I'm with you, been doing this since I was 18, and believe it or not I'm still learning new stuff all the time.

[Prof.Factor]

Originally Posted by cj

Cool, I certainly don't think I'm the only one out there doing this stuff. You probably wish I'd keep quiet!

I'm with you, been doing this since I was 18, and believe it or not I'm still learning new stuff all the time.

You have to keep doing new things or you'll be left behind, as you well know.
I enjoy reading your posts too much, to worry about you being quiet. You're good at what you do.

[Prof.Factor]

7-19-2019 AP race 8
FYI, not as big as you usually post, but I re-scored it a tick.