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07-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fast4522
The deep state pushed the Bush into Iraq and was very real then, give it a few years and President Trump will pull out of Germany. So you think Angela Dorothea Merkel has the shakes now, just wait.
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No, the Neocons and dickhead Cheney pushed us into Iraq.
Bolton is a left over raring to to it again. Pompao looks like he is one as well.
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07-16-2019, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
THE DEEP STATE
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That's laughable.
You were against the Vietnam war, right? You didn't believe what the government was dishing out about the war, right?
You didn't believe what the gov't was telling you about WMDs in Iraq, right?
That wasn't the DEEP STATE at work? No?
You guys are a LAUGH RIOT.
Only now, when you BELIEVE certain ALPHABET AGENCIES that were claiming Trump was possibly in it with the Ruskies somehow, NOW IT'S OK TO BELIEVE THE GOV'T...the same DEEP STATE that you REBELLED against as a young turk...
Again, laugh riot. Inconsistent. Hypocrisy. Duplicity. All on display.
But I expect nothing less.
Guess what? BACK WHEN YOU WERE REBELLING against the Vietnam War, the US Gov't, WMDs in Iraq, plenty of people were calling YOU paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing Dodos...
But when some people aren't buying what certain current and former gov't officials are trying to push about Trump, now THEY'RE the paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing Dodos...
Interesting...
The bottom line is this though...you and hcap appear to be wrong. Trump is still POTUS. Trump hasn't been impeached. And by all accounts, the whole "conspiring with Russia to rig the election in his favor" has been proven absolutely false.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 07-16-2019 at 01:40 AM.
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07-16-2019, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
That's laughable.
You were against the Vietnam war, right? You didn't believe what the government was dishing out about the war, right?
You didn't believe what the gov't was telling you about WMDs in Iraq, right?
That wasn't the DEEP STATE at work? No?
You guys are a LAUGH RIOT.
Only now, when you BELIEVE certain ALPHABET AGENCIES that were claiming Trump was possibly in it with the Ruskies somehow, NOW IT'S OK TO BELIEVE THE GOV'T...the same DEEP STATE that you REBELLED against as a young turk...
Again, laugh riot. Inconsistent. Hypocrisy. Duplicity. All on display.
But I expect nothing less.
Guess what? BACK WHEN YOU WERE REBELLING against the Vietnam War, the US Gov't, WMDs in Iraq, plenty of people were calling YOU paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing Dodos...
But when some people aren't buying what certain current and former gov't officials are trying to push about Trump, now THEY'RE the paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing Dodos...
Interesting...
The bottom line is this though...you and hcap appear to be wrong. Trump is still POTUS. Trump hasn't been impeached. And by all accounts, the whole "conspiring with Russia to rig the election in his favor" has been proven absolutely false.
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You still don''t get it. Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, George W Bush, dickhead Cheney were up to their eyeballs in lying to us and in many cases instructed the spy agencies to lie big time. Your moron king however was not smart enough this time to acquire the allegiance of the intel community. After watergate many reforms were passed by congress to reign in the intel agencies
How Watergate Changed America’s Intelligence Laws
https://www.history.com/news/how-wat...elligence-laws
I[QUOTE]n December 1974, just four months after Nixon’s resignation, New York Times reporter Seymour Hersh revealed the existence of a long-running CIA intelligence program targeting U.S. citizens, a direct violation of its charter. Hersh had, in part, sourced his information on the CIA’s own internal review, begun after it was revealed that two of the Watergate burglars had formerly worked for the CIA, and had been given assistance by the agency following the break-in. The review, informally known as the “family jewels” detailed a litany of illegal and inappropriate activities undertaken by the agency from the 1950s onwards.[
.....While the CIA would not fully declassify most of the “family jewels” report until 2007, Congress swung into action. On January 27, 1975, a special 11-member investigative body was established to look into abuses of power by the nation’s intelligence agencies. Chaired by Democratic Senator Frank Church of Idaho, the Church committee called more than 800 witnesses over the course of nine months, including several former officials from both the FBI and CIA
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07-16-2019, 03:20 AM
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Presidents, however, especially of the republican kind are under the notion of the "unitary executive" and are harder to control.
Reagan---Iran Contra
George Bush/dickhead Cheney/Neocons---Iraq fiasco
Last but not least the moron king---Russia
Contrary to the "lane stream" media and the "free press is the enemy of the people" propaganda. It is the only hope we have.
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The mass media's influence on the ethics of public life, as characterized by the press's watchdog role in monitoring the conduct of government officials, is assumed to be vital to democracy.
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07-16-2019, 04:59 AM
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On the "unitary executive" theory and how to avoid the rule of Kings. (For hippies and non-hippies) 
Imperial Presidency 101: Unitary Executive Theory and the Imperial Presidency
https://www.thoughtco.com/unitary-ex...sidency-721716
The Imperial Presidency
Historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. wrote The Imperial Presidency in 1973, a groundbreaking history of presidential power centering on an extensive critique of President Richard Nixon. New editions were published in 1989, 1998 and 2004, incorporating later administrations. Although they originally had different meanings, the terms "imperial presidency" and "unitary executive theory" are now used interchangeably, although the former has more negative connotations.
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07-16-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Presidents, however, especially of the republican kind are under the notion of the "unitary executive" and are harder to control.
Reagan---Iran Contra
George Bush/dickhead Cheney/Neocons---Iraq fiasco
Carter - destroyed economy, let IRan hold hostages
Clinton - Father of Al Qeda, stained dresses
OBama - world-wide apology tor, faus Nobel Prizes, boatloads of $$$ to terrorists
Last but not least the moron king---Russia
Contrary to the "lane stream" media and the "free press is the enemy of the people" propaganda. It is the only hope we have.
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Your memory left out a few.....
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07-16-2019, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Your memory left out a few.....
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I would ask you for proof, but we know how that goes 
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07-16-2019, 12:48 PM
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Tom, the discussion is about imperial presidencies.
The Unitary Executive is a repug thing. Popularized under G Bush's Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, John Yoo
Legal theory fit fort morn kings.
Hail to the thief.
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07-16-2019, 12:49 PM
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I would ask you for proof, but we know how that goes |
You want proof? Its in the pudding.
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07-16-2019, 03:23 PM
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After watergate many reforms were passed by congress to reign in the intel agencies
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Well apparently the Intel Community didn't get the message and soon the Intel community (Dept Heads) will be exposed for the witch hunt they perpetrated on the Trump Campaign / Administration. Stand by.
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07-16-2019, 03:27 PM
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For both 46 and hcap
Who both need to be edumacated on these things.
https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2...he-deep-state/
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Think about what Schumer said. He said the Central Intelligence Agency is more powerful than the elected President of the United States, and the President is a fool to challenge the CIA.
Is this compatible with democracy? with Constitutional government?
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07-16-2019, 03:30 PM
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Well apparently the Intel Community didn't get the message and soon the Intel community (Dept Heads) will be exposed for the witch hunt they perpetrated on the Trump Campaign / Administration. Stand by.
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Funny how the "deep state" appeared after Trump was crowned and his dirty laundry was beginning to be exposed
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07-16-2019, 03:39 PM
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Actually Schumer is correct. The intel community wers the first to uncover Russian interference in thee 2016 campaign to elevate Trump's chances.
Mueller's report verifies this. If the "deep state" had any real power they would have gotten rid of him already. But they strictly follow the law and must cross every T and dot every I.
Unlike the moron king
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07-16-2019, 03:45 PM
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Until we find out they didn't.
It's only matter of time.
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07-16-2019, 04:02 PM
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Funny how the "deep state" appeared after Trump was crowned and his dirty laundry was beginning to be exposed
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it seems 0bama was using the deep state intelligence agencies for political reasons even before the 2012 election
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