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Old 10-19-2018, 02:13 PM   #31
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Yes...but in this thread, you've dressed up your "theistic" views in 'political' garments, and tried to present them as if you were interested in starting a "political" discussion...when the reality is that you are only interested in rehashing your inane religious argument about the "corrupt nature of man".
Since I have a theistic worldview, then that by definition would necessarily encompass all in the world, not only including politics but especially politics, since human government is a God-ordained institution -- kinda like marriage is between a man and a woman.

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Old 10-19-2018, 02:17 PM   #32
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I agree. The "corrupt nature of man" is a value judgement based on faith. I find it insulting to those who don't happen to share that same faith.

I would suggest that the OP is wrong, and that identity politics is driven by human nature, specifically the herd instinct. Some people have a strong need to belong and to believe in a cause. That instinct varies in intensity from person to person, and identity politics satisfies some who have a high degree of herd instinct. As does organized religion.
Do you have a right to not be insulted by someone's worldview? Do you have some innate right to never be offended by anyone else's views?

I had no idea you identify with snowflakes so well.
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Old 10-19-2018, 02:23 PM   #33
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Since I have a theistic worldview, then that by definition would necessarily encompass all in the world, not only including politics but especially politics, since human government is a God-ordained institution -- kinda like marriage is between a man and a woman.

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According to you..."human government is a God-ordained institution"...whereas I happen to believe that God is a "man-ordained institution". We are both entitled to our respective opinions...NO?
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Do you have a right to not be insulted by someone's worldview? Do you have some innate right to never be offended by anyone else's views?

Where did I say anything even close to that? Just because I find something to be insulting doesn't mean that I take it personally or get upset by it. I just consider the source and ignore it.
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Old 10-19-2018, 03:03 PM   #35
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Where did I say anything even close to that? Just because I find something to be insulting doesn't mean that I take it personally or get upset by it. I just consider the source and ignore it.
I'm delighted to hear that you don't take any "gross indignity" personally.
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Old 10-19-2018, 04:56 PM   #36
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As long as "reelection" remains the main preoccupation of today's politicians...there can be no hope for the betterment of the world's political landscape. To paraphrase a brilliant saying..."Politicians are like underwear. They get dirty quickly...and should be changed often".
And sometimes they sneak up behind you and get you in a death grip!
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Old 10-19-2018, 05:34 PM   #37
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Since I have a theistic worldview, then that by definition would necessarily encompass all in the world, not only including politics but especially politics, since human government is a God-ordained institution -- kinda like marriage is between a man and a woman.

Got it now?
You have an irritating tendency to issue proclamations as though your opinions are more than yours.

Some of us take objection to your raging ego pretending your rather pedestrian non-expert speculations are more "righteous" than any one else's. There are good reasons for separation of church and state.

The Calvinistic "utter corruption of man" is not in the constitution
It is not a given in non religious discourse. Mankind has problems obviously, but much of modern socioeconomic policy tries to help man, not perfect man
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Try naming the first thing Socioeconomics ever did to improve the human condition.
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Old 10-19-2018, 07:30 PM   #39
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You have an irritating tendency to issue proclamations as though your opinions are more than yours.

Some of us take objection to your raging ego pretending your rather pedestrian non-expert speculations are more "righteous" than any one else's. There are good reasons for separation of church and state.

The Calvinistic "utter corruption of man" is not in the constitution
It is not a given in non religious discourse. Mankind has problems obviously, but much of modern socioeconomic policy tries to help man, not perfect man
Object away. Hey...even feel free to get offended if you like. Whatever floats your lily white bar of Ivory in your make believe world.

The biblical doctrine of the "utter corruption of man", while not explicitly expressed in the Constitution, nevertheless is logically inferred throughout the Constitution, since, as your anointed one himself once upon a time lamented, the Constitution is a legal document of negative rights; for the framers of it understood all too well that government could not and should not be TRUSTED with very much power. (The operative term here is "trusted".) This is why virtually all the limitations of power are placed upon government, and why power is shared equally among the three branches of government.

Trust...Hmm...have we ever discussed the universal Law of Distrust, which is an airtight affirmation of the "utter corruption of man"?

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Try naming the first thing Socioeconomics ever did to improve the human condition.
Helped Man to advance away from literally one dog eating another dog. It's called civilization.

Of course if you favor dog meat, eat up
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:00 AM   #41
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Object away. Hey...even feel free to get offended if you like. Whatever floats your lily white bar of Ivory in your make believe world.
I suspect your literal adherence to make believe doctrines like your "universal Law of Distrust", and the "utter corruption of man" interferes with the biochemical interactions of your few reaming synapses working together.

There are no such things, nor is the constitution based on any of it. If so, prove it.

Some bad people and their bad actions do not demonstrate a "universality"
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I suspect your literal adherence to make believe doctrines like your "universal Law of Distrust", and the "utter corruption of man" interferes with the biochemical interactions of your few reaming synapses working together.

There are no such things, nor is the constitution based on any of it. If so, prove it.

Some bad people and their bad actions do not demonstrate a "universality"
Did you say "some bad people and their bad actions"?

You really need to get out more.

The Law of Distrust is as plain as the nose on your face, but you'd rather bite off your nose to spite your face. I have given numerous everyday, common examples of how the law is applied by every single one us. Here's another one, Humpty, that you can add to the list and that I personally experienced very recently.

A few days ago, I deposited 8K into one of MY bank accounts. But before the bank could process the deposit, they required my driver's license -- even though I provided them with the account number on the deposit slip and my ATM card. Of course, the bank, acting as an agent for the IRS (another reason to hate the income system), apparently didn't TRUST me. Perhaps they had in mind to file a SARs report with the IRS.

Anyhow...the point is (because I know you will want to miss it) is that this little incident neatly demonstrates the Law in action. After all...the Law states: All people unknown to others are presumed by others to be untrustworthy until they can prove otherwise.

As far as this Law and the Constitution is concerned, the framers clearly did not have a lot of trust for government. Bone up on American history, why the British colonialists migrated here to this country, etc. Even your low wattage anointed one, who is hardly the brightest bulb in the factory, clearly understood that the founding fathers' sole purpose in establishing the nation's government was to limit its power because government was not to be trusted. This is precisely why they established three co-equal branches, so that each branch would be a check on the other two.

Also, this is why the electoral college was firmly established, especially when the 12 Amendment was ratified. The central idea behind the electoral college was to AVOID investing all power in one body of people, thereby circumventing a pure democracy. The genius behind the electoral college was to dencentralize power -- divide the power among the people of each sovereign state, thereby effectively avoiding mob rule, which is what a pure democracy is.

So, yes, the U.S. Constitution actually reflects the universal principle of Distrust. This is why we're not a monarchy, not a totalitarian state or a pure democracy.

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Did you say "some bad people and their bad actions"?

You really need to get out more.

The Law of Distrust is as plain as the nose on your face, but you'd rather bite off your nose to spite your face. I have given numerous everyday, common examples of how the law is applied by every single one us. Here's another one, Humpty, that you can add to the list and that I personally experienced very recently.

A few days ago, I deposited 8K into one of MY bank accounts. But before the bank could process the deposit, they required my driver's license -- even though I provided them with the account number on the deposit slip and my ATM card. Of course, the bank, acting as an agent for the IRS (another reason to hate the income system), apparently didn't TRUST me.
Locks are to discourage thief's. By themselves mechanical devices and identifying serial numbers have no means of discrimination between crooks and non crooks.

Or proves only the bank distrust wild-eyed self important blathering evangelicals like you.

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Old 10-20-2018, 12:09 PM   #44
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Boxcar is clearly implying that "man's corrupt nature" is inherent and shared by all...and it's attributed to the "sins" that man has inherited from birth. This view is strictly of a RELIGIOUS nature, and it cannot pass as a "political theory", IMO...no matter how Boxcar tries to disguise it.
I understand the religious connotation of Boxcar’s theory; however, one can not ignore nor deny that for the majority God resides in all aspects of life including governmental and political philosophy. Our forefathers thought so, too: “In God we trust;” “...one nation under God;” etc.

Although I do not believe in the literal existence of Adam and Eve, I do believe that the story was created to explain man’s first cognitive realization of sin (the nature of corruption, if you will), and that the concept of ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ evolved, as did man.

Personally, today, to her detriment, I believe Eve would be a hardcore liberal.

Some food for thought, IMO:

What Is Human Nature?

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So while all of us as human beings have a mind capable of analytical thought and reason, we don’t all behave and respond in the same way. The vast majority of us continue to yield unknowingly to the constant bombardment from Satan that manifests itself in selfishness and evil desires far too often.
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Locks are to discourage thief's. By themselves mechanical devices and identifying serial numbers have no means of discrimination between crooks and non crooks.

Or proves only the bank distrust wild-eyed self important blathering evangelicals like you.
It's high time that you start showing respect toward people who have beliefs and points of view that differ from yours. And, thank GOD that most do have different beliefs than what you incessantly, arrogantly spew!
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