Jorge Navarro has the yankee cap on

[TiffaniO]

I think people are missing the fact that the alleged $10k bet wasn't on a Monmouth race. It was at Gulfstream, thus it would be easier to get someone to take that action IMO. My guess it was something smaller though.

[Andy Asaro]

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There will be more to follow and that will likely include the Breeders' Cup IMO.

[Track Phantom]

I don't know why more tracks don't do what Laurel did here and just deny him the ability to run at their track. You have to applaud this approach especially considering the potential short field for the De Francis Dash.

He holds a valid Maryland racing license and is not suspended. His entries for Saturday were going to be denied by Laurel management, not the stewards or the racing commission.

Monmouth, and Dennis Drazin, should be ashamed of themselves. Dennis Drazin, the CEO of Darby Development, which operates Monmouth Park, stood up for Navarro on Wednesday.

"When I saw the video, I went to Jorge and said, 'This is not the type of conduct you want to be involved in,' "Drazin said. "Jorge owned up to what he did. When the stewards fined Jorge $5,000, he said he knew he was wrong and took responsibility for his actions. I am confident this will never happen again.

"Jorge Navarro is not ruled off at Monmouth Park. He's welcome back next year. He's a good supporter of our meet."

Who gives a shit if it happens again. The fact that it happened at all, and his past history and the mockery he is making of this game, should be all that is warranted to dismiss this guy.

Does Monmouth really think the addition of his horses that win at a 40% clip at average odds of 6-5, is a more appealing product than having smaller fields without his horses?

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Does anyone know how many about how many times he has had a medication violation?

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The video looked certainly didn't help. And yes it is conduct detrimental to racing. But if the guy hasn't been caught doing anything illegal and the worst is that video in a bar at the track with an owner, then this is being blown out of proportion.

If he was proven to be doing something illegal than I get different tracks not wanting to accept his entries. But refusing to take them based on something like that is a bit much in my opinion.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

Does anyone know how many about how many times he has had a medication violation?

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The video looked certainly didn't help. And yes it is conduct detrimental to racing. But if the guy hasn't been caught doing anything illegal and the worst is that video in a bar at the track with an owner, then this is being blown out of proportion.

If he was proven to be doing something illegal than I get different tracks not wanting to accept his entries. But refusing to take them based on something like that is a bit much in my opinion.

You are wrong. They don't need absolute proof of anything. They only need to use common sense and ban his ass, and all others like him. He is using the game, and their track, as a personal ATM and laughing at those in charge along the way. What law says they MUST take his, or anyone else's, entries?

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

Does anyone know how many about how many times he has had a medication violation?

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The video looked certainly didn't help. And yes it is conduct detrimental to racing. But if the guy hasn't been caught doing anything illegal and the worst is that video in a bar at the track with an owner, then this is being blown out of proportion.

If he was proven to be doing something illegal than I get different tracks not wanting to accept his entries. But refusing to take them based on something like that is a bit much in my opinion.

Joe, before putting your foot in the water please check for sharks! This guy has had positives at Tampa and GP.

Three of the six Tampa Bay Downs medication violations cited in an Oct. 4 Consent Order against Jorge Navarro – recently crowned leading trainer at New Jersey's Monmouth Park – were for overages of the anti-inflammatory drug flunixin at levels 200 times or more the allowed threshold. Scientific research suggests a typical dose of the analgesic medication, which is sold under the brand name Banamine, would have to be given within a few hours of a race to test at such an extreme level. Flunixin is not permitted on race-day.
Navarro received a 60-day suspension from the Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, effective Oct. 7, the day after the Monmouth Park meeting ended. Tampa Bay Downs has since said it will not provide stables to or accept entries from Navarro during the entirety of its 2013-14 race meeting.

The guy is bad and everyone knows it, bringing more attention to himself isn't a good thing.

[lamboguy]

Navarro is just one guy that is skating through the game. there are plenty other's that are just as questionable and they are in the higher echelon's of the sport that you never hear of or suspect.

anyone that is winning at over 14% is questionable in my mind. 30 years ago a 14% trainer was at the top. today they are winning 25%, 30%, 40%. its impossible to win at those rates on the square, there are just to many variables that are in the game.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

You are wrong. They don't need absolute proof of anything. They only need to use common sense and ban his ass, and all others like him. He is using the game, and their track, as a personal ATM and laughing at those in charge along the way. What law says they MUST take his, or anyone else's, entries?

The facility is private property because you have a trainers license doesn't give you the right to race there.
How about Looch they bought the horse for the race at Indiana Grand and now cant race their that's a shame, should have gone with a different trainer.

[AltonKelsey]

Originally Posted by TiffaniO

I think people are missing the fact that the alleged $10k bet wasn't on a Monmouth race. It was at Gulfstream, thus it would be easier to get someone to take that action IMO. My guess it was something smaller though.

Why smaller? If you owned horses with this guy, why wouldn't you bet, large and often? Plenty off offshore $$$$$$$$$$$, 10 or 20k is nothing.

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Originally Posted by Track Phantom

You are wrong. They don't need absolute proof of anything. They only need to use common sense and ban his ass, and all others like him. He is using the game, and their track, as a personal ATM and laughing at those in charge along the way. What law says they MUST take his, or anyone else's, entries?

There is no law, specifically for privately owned tracks. However, there is a thing call due process and is kind of a big deal in racing.

Kind of like in life right? Would you like to be convicted on a charge or penalty based on common sense?

[MonmouthParkJoe]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Joe, before putting your foot in the water please check for sharks! This guy has had positives at Tampa and GP.

Three of the six Tampa Bay Downs medication violations cited in an Oct. 4 Consent Order against Jorge Navarro – recently crowned leading trainer at New Jersey's Monmouth Park – were for overages of the anti-inflammatory drug flunixin at levels 200 times or more the allowed threshold. Scientific research suggests a typical dose of the analgesic medication, which is sold under the brand name Banamine, would have to be given within a few hours of a race to test at such an extreme level. Flunixin is not permitted on race-day.
Navarro received a 60-day suspension from the Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, effective Oct. 7, the day after the Monmouth Park meeting ended. Tampa Bay Downs has since said it will not provide stables to or accept entries from Navarro during the entirety of its 2013-14 race meeting.

The guy is bad and everyone knows it, bringing more attention to himself isn't a good thing.

This is why I asked. So this is from 4 years ago and was for a class 4 therapeutic medication?

I am sure a ton of his horses are tested which is why I asked about the violations. You would think they would want to test everyone of his horses.

[Track Phantom]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

There is no law, specifically for privately owned tracks. However, there is a thing call due process and is kind of a big deal in racing.

Kind of like in life right? Would you like to be convicted on a charge or penalty based on common sense?

We'd all love to live in a world where due process is applied fairly and works. But in horse racing it doesn't work. The cheaters have found a way to game the system when it comes to drug testing. It's that simple. In addition, it's highly likely the cheaters are also lining the pockets of those who might cause resistance to their practices.

With all of this, the only thing the tracks can do is to act within whatever legal means they have at their disposal to remove anyone that is impacting the quality of their product. If the tracks don't think Navarro is impacting their product, they are idiots. When I open the racing form and see a track littered with guys like Navarro, Ness and the like I normally move on. It's not easy to dodge these landmines since they are popping up everywhere but I personally don't take their racing seriously when guys like this tower over their racing landscape.

As far as due practice goes, how is it that a casino can ban you for winning too much? If you go to Ceasars' Palace and win a lot over an extended period of time, you could be banned from coming back. What due process is being applied there?

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

Does anyone know how many about how many times he has had a medication violation?

Where there is smoke, there is fire. The video looked certainly didn't help. And yes it is conduct detrimental to racing. But if the guy hasn't been caught doing anything illegal and the worst is that video in a bar at the track with an owner, then this is being blown out of proportion.

If he was proven to be doing something illegal than I get different tracks not wanting to accept his entries. But refusing to take them based on something like that is a bit much in my opinion.

With the utmost respect to you and Monmouth Park, a place where I cut my teeth as a groom, learned that fans had class, was applauded as I received my horse who just won the Oceanport Handicap beating Halo, which blew me away, and who loved the RBI a block outside the gate as well as Max's and the 8:15pm delivery of the form the night before there, the question I would like to ask is this.:

Back then, they went to great and I mean great lengths to make sure that anyone living there did not have a joint or a girl anywhere near their room. My room was searched at least 3 times in three months.

My question is, are they monitoring this guy as much as they monitored me and all the other backstretch employees with unannounced searches back in the 70's?

Personally, I would love to walk his barn. It would not take me more than 30 minutes to know what is going on. It's not that difficult if you know what you are looking for.

Thank you sir, in advance, for any response. I always enjoy your take on things that come up here.

[davew]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

Navarro is just one guy that is skating through the game. there are plenty other's that are just as questionable and they are in the higher echelon's of the sport that you never hear of or suspect.

anyone that is winning at over 14% is questionable in my mind. 30 years ago a 14% trainer was at the top. today they are winning 25%, 30%, 40%. its impossible to win at those rates on the square, there are just to many variables that are in the game.

14% wins isn't so hot with 6 horse fields....

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[cj]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

Navarro is just one guy that is skating through the game. there are plenty other's that are just as questionable and they are in the higher echelon's of the sport that you never hear of or suspect.

anyone that is winning at over 14% is questionable in my mind. 30 years ago a 14% trainer was at the top. today they are winning 25%, 30%, 40%. its impossible to win at those rates on the square, there are just to many variables that are in the game.

Check out Kevin Patterson, who is venturing to Laurel Saturday with a recent claim. A true master of the training game. He learned a lot during his hiatus.