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10-06-2004, 10:40 PM
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Tom, absolutely right on!
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10-07-2004, 08:36 AM
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Common sense dictates that there is something lurking behind the scenes with Senator Kerry, one the American public (or at least those being polled) just can't shake.
Maybe the more vocal Kerry supporters among us can answer this question for me, as I've asked it many times.
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The swiftboat ads did the damage. The dems are just not as good as hardball and sliming as the repubs. Kerry was leading in almost all polls until he got slimed big time. If Kerry/Edwards get open coverage without obstructions like the swiftys, a few more points in their totals.
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Two things that support my hypothesis.
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http://www.electoral-vote.com/info/graph.html
2- Zogby OCTOBER 6, 2004
The presidential debate has lifted John Kerry back to where he was in our battleground analysis before the Republican convention energized the Bush campaign.
The latest Zogby Interactive poll puts Mr. Kerry ahead of President Bush in 13 of the 16 closely contested states -- two more states than the Massachusetts senator led before the debate and the most since August. The latest survey was conducted between last Thursday, after the debate ended, and Tuesday afternoon, before vice-presidential contenders Dick Cheney and John Edwards debated. "
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...04-an1006.html
Last edited by hcap; 10-07-2004 at 08:40 AM.
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10-07-2004, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by hcap
Sq,
The swiftboat ads took their toll when they came out. Whether you agree or not. .
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If Kerry had signed the SF180 and released ALL his mil records he'd have squashed any negative publicity by the swifts. FACT is, Kerry ran and hid. He still won't sign the 180.
Only one reason he wouldn't sign the SF180....He's hiding some BAD sh-t. Did he get dishonorably discharged, and then tamper the records as many think? After all Kerry's dd214 reads a date of 1978...and why did he get a BSM/ SSM citation 18 years after he left Vietnam? Even (sec of the navy from 1981-87)Lehman said that citation was a fraud...Hmmmm.
We'll never know what he's hiding b/c Kerry won't sign the SF180....GWB released all his mil records....Not Kerry.
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10-07-2004, 06:31 PM
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"The swiftboat ads took their toll when they came out. Whether you agree or not. "
Yes. it is hard to ignore the truth biting you in the arse.
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10-07-2004, 07:22 PM
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Just like how Kerry demolished the "war" president, and Edwards exposed the REAL presidents' bs.
Yes. it is hard to ignore the truth biting you in the arse.
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10-07-2004, 07:26 PM
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demolished the president and still behind.. that's a brilliant thought process on your part Hcap..
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10-07-2004, 07:37 PM
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Sq, the polls have tightened, momentum is with Kerry/Edwards.
Day after these were the online polls:
* MSNBC has Edwards Up 60% to 40% in this poll with over 1,580,000 respondents so far.
* CNBC Has Edwards up 59% to 41%.
* CBS News has Edwards over Cheney by a margin of 81% to 17%.
* Right wing Fox News has Cheney winning 50% to 47%.
* AOL lists Cheney as the winner 51% to 49%.
* The CNN poll has Edwards destroying Cheney 78% 18% with nearly 200,000 votes tallied.
* The Wall Street Journal has Edwards crushing Dick 88% to 9%.
* Yahoo News shows Edwards dominating Cheney 62% to 32%.
I think just like Kerrys' initial win on the online polls turned into improvement in real polls, so will Edwards win over darth cheney
Also check out the movement on the graph after the first debate. Today zogby has Kerry ahead in the battleground states.
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10-07-2004, 07:43 PM
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Why don't you include all the important polls?
Did you know that if I bet my 4th rated horse over my 6th rated horse with all with all, my superfecta ROI would be 7.05??
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10-07-2004, 07:43 PM
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I am 100% Hopeful that BUSH will get dumped. He is a total
bum. Not even worthy of being listed as #43. LIAR & A DRUNK.
and even his wife, that pretend-2-be VIP killed a 17 yr old by
running a stop sign. She is a KILLER. It's all so sordid that he
should be pres!! by that's why this USA is in DanGER ... BUSH
attracts trouble like a moth 2 Vegas lights. anyways, YOU DECIDE
as i've done .... TY Budha, it's a Free (sorta) country .... Vote,
thats the issue ....
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10-08-2004, 12:16 AM
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Who was it that said Repubs were cruel? Look at the garbage Derek's spewing.
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10-08-2004, 12:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by hcap
Just like how Kerry demolished the "war" president, and Edwards exposed the REAL presidents' bs.
Yes. it is hard to ignore the truth biting you in the arse.
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I missed that I guess. What channel is the cartoon network again?
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10-08-2004, 12:39 AM
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Derek, you are the main reason abortion should be legal..
Who do the voices in your head tell you to vote for??
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10-08-2004, 12:56 AM
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In an effort to attract Texas republican votes, the DNC has re-tooled thier southern image.....
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10-08-2004, 04:16 PM
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Sq,
The graph I posted, a bit higher up on the page is live. It changes to reflect each days standings. Yesterday it indicated basically a dead heat. I posted it to support my contention that the swifties effectively slimed Kerry, weakining Kerrys' campaign, and to show momentum.
Today Kerry is in the lead.
Kerry 280 Bush 239
And the 2nd presidential debate has not begun yet. It may be a reaction to the Edwards/Cheney debate, or more likely the BAD, BAD news in the papers for bush
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10-08-2004, 05:57 PM
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Hey Tom, In an effort to attract young, republicans while their minds are still forming the GOP has re-tooled their PR spin on the vice-presidential debate.
At least I think it's the young republicans they're after. Might be the preznits' nuk-u-lar buddies.
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