Will Republicans Sweep Treason Under The Rug?

[chadk66]

If what Donald Jr. did was treason then what Hillary did should net her the death penalty.

[stuball]

If you want to read the truth you have to have a magnifying glass and read the paper backwards because that is where they print retractions. I quit reading newspapers long ago...No CNN No Msnbc...Yes FoxNews is slanted
but way more truthful than the others...

Stuball

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

A horribly misguided analogy.

It wasn't even that good. If someone is caught in a bank with a gun and is not in compliance with the state concealed carry laws, that person is guilty of illegally carrying a concealed weapon. Try to prove robbery or conspiracy or collusion based on intent without further evidence and we are back to thought crimes.

[barn32]

Originally Posted by chadk66

pretty hard to collude with a foreign country when the person your supposedly colluding with has nothing to do with said countries government

Incorrect.

A $230 million dollar fraud scheme was settled for $6 million three days before it was to go to trial.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Associated Press said Ms Veselnitskaya, who was once married to a deputy transportation minister of the Moscow region, was “a largely unknown figure until” she began to represent the son of a Russian official in a major money-laundering trial.

It said her company, Kamerton Consulting, defended Denis Katsyv, the son of a vice-president of state-owned Russian Railways who was charged with money-laundering in the United States over a case tied to a massive Russian tax-fraud scheme. The case against Mr Katsyv’s company, Prevezon, was settled in New York in May for some $6m, three days before it was to go to trial, the AP said.

The news agency*said US investigators suspect the Cyprus-registered company, bought upscale New York City property with some of the proceeds from a $230m Russian tax-fraud scheme brought to light by a Sergei Magnitsky, the lawyer with investment advisory Hermitage Capital, who later died in prison. The US passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012 to target those Russians allegedly behind Mr Magnitsky’s death.

The act has reportedly been a source of deep anguish to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who responded by ending American adoptions of Russian children.

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[Clocker]

Time to throw some more gasoline on the conspiracy fire.

The Russian "agent" did not enter the country on a normal visa and was not registered under the Foreign Agent Registration Act as an agent of Russia.

She entered the country on an "extraordinary waiver" granted by the Obama Dept. of Justice.

I love cheap political drama.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/13/twist-obama-doj-granted-visa-waiver-russian-lawyer-trump-jr-meeting/

[tucker6]

I smell a setup of Trump Jr.

Who tipped off the NYT to private emails?

[barn32]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Time to throw some more gasoline on the conspiracy fire.

The Russian "agent" did not enter the country on a normal visa and was not registered under the Foreign Agent Registration Act as an agent of Russia.

She entered the country on an "extraordinary waiver" granted by the Obama Dept. of Justice.

I love cheap political drama.

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/13/twist-obama-doj-granted-visa-waiver-russian-lawyer-trump-jr-meeting/

Jared Kushner amended his form to include this meeting, because it had been omitted. He knew it was going to come out. Had he not done so, could that be considered a crime?

little donny trump jr gets thrown under the bus here.

[delayjf]

Now that the Ukraine connection with the Clinton Campaign has emerged, I hope this will give Trump / Sessions the political motivation to open an Independent Investigation into the Clinton Campaign and the Clinton Foundation.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by barn32

little donny trump jr gets thrown under the bus here.

For What? What is the crime that was committed? Dershorwitz would like to know too

[delayjf]

National Review says Trump Jr. attempted to collude with Russia.

Who's to say that Jr, being the good, fine American he is, would not have taken any nefarious information obtained and turned it over to the FBI?

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by barn32

Incorrect.

A $230 million dollar fraud scheme was settled for $6 million three days before it was to go to trial.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.




Link

as I said she had nothing to do with the countries government.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

For What? What is the crime that was committed? Dershorwitz would like to know too

There was no crime. Dershowitz, as liberal as they come, is also as objective as they come regarding the law, and he said no crime.

Another prominent, and liberal, constitutional scholar agrees. Professor Jonathan Turley of George Washington University says:

If the Russians were making such a play to influence the election in favor of Trump, this is a curious way of going about it. The most obvious question is why the Russians would call such a meeting but not actually produce any evidence or even substantive allegations.

One obvious explanation is that Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort fell for a classic bait-and-switch. Veselnitskaya was representing people seeking to lift the adoption ban, and it was certainly amateur hour in Trump Tower. If this is the best the Russians can do as their big play, we have little to worry about.

They question is whether the Trump team is a bunch of click-bait chumps or criminals. In other words, does any of this constitute a clear crime or even a vague inkblot image of a crime?

No, at least not on these facts.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/legal-scholar-scoffs-claims-trump-jr-guilty-treason

Only the thought police can find crime here. What the Trumpsters are guilty of is being naive, egotistical, and ignorant of how the game is played in the big leagues. If you are looking for dirty laundry, you don't do "secret" meetings in person. You use go-betweens that maintain your deniability. I'm surprised that Manafort didn't know better.I guess he isn't as much of a pro as he was cranked up to be.

And when caught, you don't keep changing your story every day for a week, as was done on this one.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by delayjf

Who's to say that Jr, being the good, fine American he is, would not have taken any nefarious information obtained and turned it over to the FBI?

Only the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. And, of course, the moonbat thought police.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by tucker6

A horribly misguided analogy. In your example, it's called a conspiracy to commit a crime. In the real life example, it's called poor judgment. Why you may ask? Because nothing of value was presented. Using your example, Tom invites the other two over under the claim that he wants to rob a bank. However instead, he talks horse racing the entire time. If Elk and Clicker still go out to rob the bank, Tom is innocent of conspiracy since he had no part in the act.

Oh, I don't know about that.

And, you're correct I was trying to present it as a conspiracy situation.

I forgot to mention and uncertain if it would really change the results. But, the robbery note found on Elkabong was written by Tom on his personal stationery with a blood print of his thumb because he cut himself which is the reason he didn't go with them. Sounds like something a Tom would do.

I don't think one has to actually get value from the bank.

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
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If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor. ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

Now, let's consider what the three inner circle members did. And, add the foreign governmernt attempt to influence in the consideration. I think the penalty for Treason can be up to 20 years.

[JustRalph]

How in hell anybody thinks this Don jr crap jumps to treason is beyond the pale out of their mind