How will single payer health care be better than VA health care?

[davew]

The progressive dims are pushing for single payer health care. I can not think of any government run program that is more efficient than private. What am I missing? and how would this not turn into a giant VA medical situation?

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by davew

The progressive dims are pushing for single payer health care. I can not think of any government run program that is more efficient than private. What am I missing? and how would this not turn into a giant VA medical situation?

Logical question.

But we already know that answer, don't we?

And, at the end of the day, the wealthy will still get very private and very special healthcare WHEN THEY NEED IT, while the poor wait their turn, DYING IN THE PROCESS.

As we move towards socialism, the poor will get poorer, the extremely poor will have more company at the bottom, and there will still be very rich people at the top -- just like every other socialistic society.

The only difference will be that it is more difficult than ever for someone to improve their station based upon their effort.

[plainolebill]

I get some healthcare from the VA and if I weren't so far from a VA clinic/hospital I'd never step foot in a local doctor's office again.

Single payer I have no opinion on one way or the other.

[Actor]

How will single payer health care be better than VA health care?

Everyone will have access to it. There's a phrase in the preamble to the Constitution. "Promote the general welfare."

Originally Posted by davew

I can not think of any government run program that is more efficient than private. What am I missing?

"Provide for the common defense." Also from the preamble.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

And, at the end of the day, the wealthy will still get very private and very special healthcare WHEN THEY NEED IT, while the poor wait their turn, DYING IN THE PROCESS.

The "end of the day" is here. This is happening now.

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

As we move towards socialism, the poor will get poorer, the extremely poor will have more company at the bottom, and there will still be very rich people at the top -- just like every other socialistic society.

Also happening now.

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

The only difference will be that it is more difficult than ever for someone to improve their station based upon their effort.

Also happening now. And as the singularity draws near and the robots take over you can replace the words "more difficult than ever" with the word "impossible."

And, no matter which ideological extreme you lean toward, there's nothing we can do about it. As Julius Caesar said at the Rubicon, "The die is cast."

[jimmyb]

I always get prompt and great service with VA healthcare.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by davew

The progressive dims are pushing for single payer health care. I can not think of any government run program that is more efficient than private. What am I missing? and how would this not turn into a giant VA medical situation?

Again?
WE have been thru the public versus private debate dozens of times.

Medicare Is More Efficient Than Private Insurance
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10....0.013390/full/



OCED countries uise A greater mix of public funds for healthcare. Socialism to a point, as is Medicare.
Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...ther-countries

[Burls]

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, administrative costs in Medicare are only about 2 percent of operating expenditures. Defenders of the insurance industry estimate administrative costs as 17 percent of revenue.

To this we can add that, with private insurance,
plan administrators have to suck out a certain percentage of PROFIT as well.
The claim that privately run insurance is just so much more EFFICIENT
than state run insurance is just another LIE
perpetuated by those who make BIG $$$ running private insurance companies.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by davew

The progressive dims are pushing for single payer health care. I can not think of any government run program that is more efficient than private. What am I missing? and how would this not turn into a giant VA medical situation?

There is no such thing as single payer health care. Single payer is insurance, which pays for health care that will still be provided by both private and public entities. The same as it is now. Comparing single payer with the VA is comparing apples and pogo sticks.

The reason you can't think of a government run program that is more efficient than private is because you don't want to and you will ignore any evidence to the contrary. hcap has provided the fact that 2% of Medicare costs are spent on
administrative costs compared to 17% for private companies.

Let me propose another example. Education. A couple of towns over is a high school run by a Catholic religious order, Fenwick High School. Fenwick is a very good school. It costs $8,000 to $10,000 to go to Fenwick for one year. About a mile from me is Riverside Brookfield High School. A public high school for which there is no tuition. There is no difference between the quality of education at the two schools. In fact, by some metrics RB is the better school

Snow removal. When it snows in my hometown the plows are out soon after it starts and stay out until the snow has ended, even if that means the government employees who drive the plows are out all night. I live in an apartment building with a large parking lot. Our private contractor never comes to plow the lot until the day after the day the snow has ended.

The myth that private businesses are more efficient than government programs is just that. A myth.

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

There is no such thing as single payer health care. Single payer is insurance, which pays for health care that will still be provided by both private and public entities. The same as it is now. Comparing single payer with the VA is comparing apples and pogo sticks.

The reason you can't think of a government run program that is more efficient than private is because you don't want to and you will ignore any evidence to the contrary. hcap has provided the fact that 2% of Medicare costs are spent on
administrative costs compared to 17% for private companies.

Let me propose another example. Education. A couple of towns over is a high school run by a Catholic religious order, Fenwick High School. Fenwick is a very good school. It costs $8,000 to $10,000 to go to Fenwick for one year. About a mile from me is Riverside Brookfield High School. A public high school for which there is no tuition. There is no difference between the quality of education at the two schools. In fact, by some metrics RB is the better school

Snow removal. When it snows in my hometown the plows are out soon after it starts and stay out until the snow has ended, even if that means the government employees who drive the plows are out all night. I live in an apartment building with a large parking lot. Our private contractor never comes to plow the lot until the day after the day the snow has ended.

The myth that private businesses are more efficient than government programs is just that. A myth.

: pound:

You of all people attempting to say the government runs a better ship...: faint:



The US postal service DEBUNKS all your ATTEMPTED points...

[Tom]

Let me propose another example. Education. A couple of towns over is a high school run by a Catholic religious order, Fenwick High School. Fenwick is a very good school. It costs $8,000 to $10,000 to go to Fenwick for one year. About a mile from me is Riverside Brookfield High School. A public high school for which there is no tuition. There is no difference between the quality of education at the two schools. In fact, by some metrics RB is the better school

The public school is funded by taxes, paid by everyone - even those who do not have kids attending it. I would bet it cost much more to run than the private school, So the public school depends on forcing people who do not use the school to pay for it.

[davew]

Originally Posted by mostpost

There is no such thing as single payer health care. Single payer is insurance, which pays for health care that will still be provided by both private and public entities. The same as it is now. Comparing single payer with the VA is comparing apples and pogo sticks.

The reason you can't think of a government run program that is more efficient than private is because you don't want to and you will ignore any evidence to the contrary. hcap has provided the fact that 2% of Medicare costs are spent on
administrative costs compared to 17% for private companies.

Let me propose another example. Education. A couple of towns over is a high school run by a Catholic religious order, Fenwick High School. Fenwick is a very good school. It costs $8,000 to $10,000 to go to Fenwick for one year. About a mile from me is Riverside Brookfield High School. A public high school for which there is no tuition. There is no difference between the quality of education at the two schools. In fact, by some metrics RB is the better school

Snow removal. When it snows in my hometown the plows are out soon after it starts and stay out until the snow has ended, even if that means the government employees who drive the plows are out all night. I live in an apartment building with a large parking lot. Our private contractor never comes to plow the lot until the day after the day the snow has ended.

The myth that private businesses are more efficient than government programs is just that. A myth.

Is there a 'no parking' in the large apartment parking lot rule when snow falls?

[Mulerider]

Originally Posted by Tom

The public school is funded by taxes, paid by everyone - even those who do not have kids attending it. I would bet it cost much more to run than the private school,...

It does. In 2017 Illinois spent $13,336.64 per student, substantially more than the $8,000 - $10,000 private high school he mentioned.

https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ing&Stateid=IL

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The myth that private businesses are more efficient than government programs is just that. A myth.

Quit wasting everyone's time with your push-button posts....You absolutely are clueless, you know nothing, and you're not even accidently humorous.

I sometimes feel sad that you're like this.....I'm lying, I could care less....

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Actor

Everyone will have access to it. There's a phrase in the preamble to the Constitution. "Promote the general welfare."

"Provide for the common defense." Also from the preamble.

The general welfare is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the individual welfare. Individuals are the concern of the states, the general welfare of the Union is the concern of the federal government.

So defense against the common cold is the business of the Pentagon?