Pick Five handicapping players only

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

here's one of my tickets.
I'm not playing jackpots today just practicing.

Ticket #9 34-6-269-346-147 is looking pretty good for 27.00

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I see that you and betwin have an A horse as a 12-1 ML in leg 4. Ballsy?

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Gary Capuano is the trainer of the 3, and that horse popped last time on his pet move(and was DQ'd after an erratic stretch finish from a perfect position) of prepping in a sprint to stretch out for the $$$.
The other chalk declined a little in the last and needs the previous race to win.

The 12-1 6 is competitive with a repeat effort of the debut. The question is...

So there was some indication that leg 4 (race 8 LRL today) would be a race to look for alternatives...

My idea was looking to the "best of the rest", rather than spreading possible contenders. Maybe I approached the ticket wrong here.

The winner BROWN RICE
had a competitive timeformUS figure last race, although it was on turf. Some mild traffic issues as well: [rail, checked lacking room 1/8, angled out, finish with interest].
She also debuted on dirt, and broke her maiden on dirt, and ran a best of 17 4F work on 12/27.

Even with those angles, I think she would have to be used for reasons of including "others" rather than a natural A or B.

[1st time lasix]

By spreading a bit in the first leg.... and then fortunately missing the "odds-on" in leg three {her picture on cover of DRF}---- lucky to cash a 8 grand pick five Sunday at GP. Great fun! I only spent about 150....and nearly spent 100 in the last "hedging" all others "over" my two live choices in the exacta pools in case one finished second. Love this wager. A mini tournament of handicaping with a low takeout daily.

[1st time lasix]

****Some excellent payouts over the March weekend at Gulfstream and Tampa for those that could find the longshot in the sequences. I didn't fare well at either venue over the weekend. I made some donations. I managed to "squeak out" the Big A pk five when a relentless closing Don Tito managed to win by a head bob in the fifth on Sunday. Very close photo,,,which made all the difference against the "odds on" in last leg. There was even a scratch at the gate which would have cut the payout to the chalk even smaller. A 1500 signer for fifty cents appeared like an overlay considering the pick four was only 132 for same denomination. Lucky indeed! Nationwide--- the pools for the pick five are still gaining momentum.....although I assume that massive pick six jackpot at GP may be diverting some attention. It appears this wager continues to garner more play {particularly in California} and very little real strategy information is readily available. Assume many attack with the Crist method of ticket structure. Some likely still use the "caveman" method. Looking forward to Keeneland. Good luck!

[Ray]

People who refuse to play rainbow 6 because of the take out are misinformed or not paying attn... Once the carryover gets to be around a million there is big value created for the "consolation" 6 of 6 winners...the syndicates and big ticket players are shooting for the jackpot and these people are badly over betting hopeless longshots and trying to be the only ticket. So when u get too much money on 50-1 shots it leaves money for the more logical horses.
Example Sunday rainbow 6 winners
$9.80
$5.80
$15.20
$3.00
$5.60
$21.20
20¢ 6 of 6 paid $1,454.70
50¢ pick 5 paid $576.15

Friday
$29.60
$6.00
$4.20
$39.80
$15.80
$7.20
20¢ 6 of 6 $40,872
50¢ pick 5 $3,920

Like I said this starts when they get close to $1,000,000 and get better as the jackpot goes up.. So I have just been playing to hit 6 not even trying for the jackpot. Despite the awful take out a lot of ot is being evened out by overplaying hopeless bombs. Some of u may wanna reconsider the rainbow 6.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Ray

People who refuse to play rainbow 6 because of the take out are misinformed or not paying attn... Once the carryover gets to be around a million there is big value created for the "consolation" 6 of 6 winners...the syndicates and big ticket players are shooting for the jackpot and these people are badly over betting hopeless longshots and trying to be the only ticket. So when u get too much money on 50-1 shots it leaves money for the more logical horses.
Example Sunday rainbow 6 winners
$9.80
$5.80
$15.20
$3.00
$5.60
$21.20
20¢ 6 of 6 paid $1,454.70
50¢ pick 5 paid $576.15

Friday
$29.60
$6.00
$4.20
$39.80
$15.80
$7.20
20¢ 6 of 6 $40,872
50¢ pick 5 $3,920

Like I said this starts when they get close to $1,000,000 and get better as the jackpot goes up.. So I have just been playing to hit 6 not even trying for the jackpot. Despite the awful take out a lot of ot is being evened out by overplaying hopeless bombs. Some of u may wanna reconsider the rainbow 6.

Its a great bet if you're not actually trying to be the only winner....if you bet it like a normal pick 6, and stick with horses who are actual contenders, the "random" stabbing that occurs more than makes up for the high "takeout". 30-1 shots with no real chance may have more money on them than horses who are legit contenders.

[1st time lasix]

Friday at Tampa I was alive to four horses in the pick five sequence. Already nailed a couple of priced horses so I was anxious to see the will pays. They abruptly took the final "off the turf"---- without a cloud in the sky or a drop of rain. Of course ya' know what happened.... Instead of winning 11 k when the seven won the race {on the dirt instead}--- everyone got a $977 consolation. I understand that---- due to the surface switch....but at the simulcast venue without tv volume...no one really knew why they elected to change.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Ray

People who refuse to play rainbow 6 because of the take out are misinformed or not paying attn... Once the carryover gets to be around a million there is big value created for the "consolation" 6 of 6 winners...the syndicates and big ticket players are shooting for the jackpot and these people are badly over betting hopeless longshots and trying to be the only ticket. So when u get too much money on 50-1 shots it leaves money for the more logical horses.
Example Sunday rainbow 6 winners
$9.80
$5.80
$15.20
$3.00
$5.60
$21.20
20¢ 6 of 6 paid $1,454.70
50¢ pick 5 paid $576.15

Friday
$29.60
$6.00
$4.20
$39.80
$15.80
$7.20
20¢ 6 of 6 $40,872
50¢ pick 5 $3,920

Like I said this starts when they get close to $1,000,000 and get better as the jackpot goes up.. So I have just been playing to hit 6 not even trying for the jackpot. Despite the awful take out a lot of ot is being evened out by overplaying hopeless bombs. Some of u may wanna reconsider the rainbow 6.

The Sunday example is an underlay. Six logical contenders. Friday with 2 pretty good prices it was an overlay. I am not convinced that the shooting the moon type betting has made the bet fertile for overlays.