The coronavirus

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

This is the part I don't understand. All of the same people screaming "Science!" are the same people saying to get vaccinated even when you have had the virus.


All the vaccine does is trigger the natural antibodies, why in the world are people doing both.

There is NO evidence that, like mumps, you gets life long immunity after infection

you are so ill informed as vaccine are far more specific than that

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by cratman

COVID-19 vaccination is a safer way to help build protection
Get vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-benefits.html

What studies? This might be a shocker but the CDC site linked here just mentions it as fact, no studies actually noted.


I'm no expert, but I was told by someone who is that the "boost" in antibodies and the antibody tracking in general is a little off base. With any virus the body creates the antibodies when needed. Once the antibodies are no longer needed the body stops producing them but stores the code on how they are built. He said everyone losing their shit because the antibodies are gone in 6 months is no big deal. The body still stores the code for the antibodies it just doesn't produce them forever and ever.


He said if our body went on producing every antibody for everything it ever fought off we would all be so sapped for energy we would look like zombies.


This makes a lot of sense to me, I won't give the doctors name, but he is a client and a friend. He is the highest ranking licensed doctor at the biggest hospital in a city of 3 million people. I trust him pretty well.

[46zilzal]

cell mediated immunity and antibody based immunity depend upon the size and type of the antigen involved

Quote: He said if our body went on producing every antibody for everything it ever fought off we would all be so sapped for energy we would look like zombies.

IF we were challenged above a certain threshold

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

There is NO evidence that, like mumps, you gets life long immunity after infection

you are so ill informed as vaccine are far more specific than that

OK tell me how this vaccine doesn't work like that then smart ass.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

OK tell me how this vaccine doesn't work like that then smart ass.

THIS vaccine is unique working on the mRNA that allows a virus interloper to confiscate the reproductive ability of he host cell.

CLASSIC vaccines focused on a particular aspect of the inviting organism like the capsular protein or attenuated strains of the bug (virus or bacterium itself)

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

why in the world are people doing both.

Because SCIENCE!

[cratman]

Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic have found that people who’ve already had COVID-19 may not necessarily benefit from vaccination, according to a new small study.
They said that people with prior infection had similar protection to those who were fully vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...get-vaccinated

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by 46zilzal

THIS vaccine is unique working on the mRNA that allows a virus interloper to confiscate the reproductive ability of he host cell.

CLASSIC vaccines focused on a particular aspect of the inviting organism like the capsular protein or attenuated strains of the bug (virus or bacterium itself)

Tell me that the human body doesn't undertake an immune response that creates the anti-bodies and I'll shut up.



The vaccine introduces or gives instructions to the body to create a spike protein. Everything that happens after that is the body doing it's thing.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by cratman

Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic have found that people who’ve already had COVID-19 may not necessarily benefit from vaccination, according to a new small study.
They said that people with prior infection had similar protection to those who were fully vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...get-vaccinated

What do you know, from December 2020 to May 2021 the study says those with natural infection were batting 1.000 at not getting COVID again.


Who knew.

[Rex Phinney]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19


NIH quoted here as saying that they hope the vaccine induced response will last as long as the naturally occurring response. Sounds like they are pretty pleased with the results of the study they did on people recovered from COVID-19.


Science only gets mentioned when it supports a retarded leftist's narrative. Funny how that works.

[cratman]

They now know, and do not have to hope.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by cratman

Researchers from the Cleveland Clinic have found that people who’ve already had COVID-19 may not necessarily benefit from vaccination, according to a new small study.
They said that people with prior infection had similar protection to those who were fully vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...get-vaccinated

If I had a choice I would WAY rather have gotten a very mild case of Covid and not gotten vaccinated, but at 62 the risk of serious case or at least a case with longer lasting impacts made me get vaccinated.

[Poindexter]

You know with over 300 people a day dying in this country for the last few months, supposedly 97% of them were "unvaccinated" and health "experts" highly anxious to have everyone vaccinated, one would think that if previous exposure to covid does not provide immunity they would have a long list of folks who died of covid recently after getting it before. Should be very easy to prove. Anyone feel free to post that evidence.

By the way with millions of people going to vegas each month (going back home and exposing other people back home to whatever they may pick up), the place is packed, completely maskless(oh the horror) and not even temperature checks anymore and if you really think everyone parading through the resorts/casinos is vaccinated, you should probably give up gambling Yet that covid death rate in this country continues to go down and down and down and down. Go figure. But we better work on getting those newborn babies vaccinated, you never know(sarcasm alert).

By the way I love how people proudly proclaim the vaccines are so safe. Do you know what the long term side effects are. No you don't. You are lying just like our Government and just like the MSM, just like big tech, so seriously, just STFU about the vaccine being safe. Come back in 5 years and then tell me how safe it is. We hope it is safe, God willing there will be no long term side effects and all of the young, well meaning people who feel they are doing the right thing for society, don't pay a serious price or the ultimate price for their decision. That is the truth.

[PaceAdvantage]

OF COURSE PREVIOUS EXPOSURE PROVIDES YOU WITH ADEQUATE IMMUNITY!

WHAT are we? ALL ****ING STUPID?

Let's just throw basic biology and immunology out the ****ing window because we want to push BIG PHARMA experimental vaccines (which are NOT approved by the FDA).

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

OF COURSE PREVIOUS EXPOSURE PROVIDES YOU WITH ADEQUATE IMMUNITY!

WHAT are we? ALL ****ING STUPID?

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Depends on the bug: medicolegally a upgraded tetanus is q 8 to 10 years

quote: It turns out that there are no simple answers to the question of whether natural immunity caused by exposure to a germ is better than the industrial version. "It varies from vaccine to vaccine," says Samuel Katz, an inventor of the measles vaccine and a chairman emeritus of pediatrics at Duke Medical School.

While natural immunity may protect children just as well as a vaccine in some cases, Dr. Roberta DeBiasi, a pediatrician and infectious disease specialist at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, says that's not the case with flu. "The risk of an adverse event if your child gets the flu naturally is markedly higher than if they get the vaccine," DeBiasi says. DeBiasi, a mother of two young kids herself, also is confident that this year's flu vaccine is safe. "This year we have the benefit of having studied the pandemic [H1N1], so we have data for all the flu strains and there's no risk."

"There are at least two systems in the immune function," Katz says. "One is called antibody, and the other is called cell-mediated immunity. And with most infections, we'd like to have both of those active."

The human body uses those immune systems to fight off viruses and bacteria. Once those systems are activated, they can remember the bugs and stand ready to fend off new infections for years -- or even for a lifetime.

Data has shown that pertussis does NOT give lifelong immunity

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=130433634