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Old 09-14-2019, 12:37 AM   #811
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I'm glad you added "currently."
Glad to hear it. Hand times are shaky at best, and downright awful at other times like in this case. Bettors should know what they are getting.
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Old 09-14-2019, 01:36 AM   #812
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Another example of why using hand times is worse than using no times at all:

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...091219USA3.pdf

Who could possibly look at these fractions and think they are good?

Times are fine, a hurricane happened to pass by after the first quarter.
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Old 09-26-2019, 09:56 AM   #813
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Good ole Gulfstream Park .... no times in the 5th yesterday. But they reported a 5 foot run-up. Now that's funny.

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Old 09-26-2019, 10:56 AM   #814
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Good ole Gulfstream Park .... no times in the 5th yesterday. But they reported a 5 foot run-up. Now that's funny.
I'm sure a time will show up eventually, but trust it at your own peril.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:54 PM   #815
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Monmouth has some fractions missing for races 9 and 10 today.
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Old 10-05-2019, 12:06 PM   #816
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Not a great opening day from Keeneland from a timing perspective. Two races with no times given at all, and at least two where Keeneland is reporting run up that isn't close to reality. Races 7 and 10 are way longer than 34 feet. If you click on the link, it is a thread I did which gives video times for the races that don't have any.

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Old 10-05-2019, 04:12 PM   #817
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Thanks, CJ...at least someone cares - the tracks OBVIOUSLY do not.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:02 AM   #818
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Run-ups for one mile turf races run in lane 2 will be corrected shortly.
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Old 10-07-2019, 07:08 PM   #819
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Run-ups for one mile turf races run in lane 2 will be corrected shortly.
From 34 to 143 is quite a change. Tracks seem pretty sloppy with run up reporting. It is actually important information in my opinion that should be given more diligence. Otherwise, why bother listing it? I wonder how long this would have gone on at Keeneland if I hadn't checked it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:07 AM   #820
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Might not seem like much but in race 7 at Zia yesterday the finish was almost a dead heat but chart says won by a Neck. It was so close I couldn't tell who won with the slow motion replay. Anyways, I know this isn't a fractional time. Just seems important and makes me wonder. So now, beaten length total will be off atleast a neck (.25 length) for rest of the field. Think that would also translate to around .6 Beyer speed figure points?

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Old 10-08-2019, 10:50 AM   #821
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My co-worker David found that Belmont's first on 9-28 was ~1.00 seconds too slow at every call. I timed it and came up with 0.92, so deduct that from what is in your database and you'll be very close to reality.
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:51 AM   #822
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Might not seem like much but in race 7 at Zia yesterday the finish was almost a dead heat but chart says won by a Neck. It was so close I couldn't tell who won with the slow motion replay. Anyways, I know this isn't a fractional time. Just seems important and makes me wonder. So now, beaten length total will be off atleast a neck (.25 length) for rest of the field. Think that would also translate to around .6 Beyer speed figure points?
I imagine Ellis will catch this one.

Zia ran three thoroughbred races on Sunday and every one was hand timed. Hard to believe tracks care when this stuff is allowed to go on at certains ones (like Zia) year after year after year.
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My co-worker David found that Belmont's first on 9-28 was ~1.00 seconds too slow at every call. I timed it and came up with 0.92, so deduct that from what is in your database and you'll be very close to reality.
Thank you.
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:50 PM   #824
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I imagine Ellis will catch this one.

Zia ran three thoroughbred races on Sunday and every one was hand timed. Hard to believe tracks care when this stuff is allowed to go on at certains ones (like Zia) year after year after year.
Funsville. Atleast Zia doesn't have a forest growing in the infield ... so that's sumthin'. lol
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:36 AM   #825
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I'd recommend ignoring the fractions for R7 at GPW on 10-9. A loose horse triggered some of them. Final time seems ok.
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