Sarah Suess

[classhandicapper]

I don't see Palin as significantly better or worse the corrupt incompetents we have running the country now, but at least she's good to look at (at least for a guy my age). Honestly, could she possibly be worse than Biden at VP? Biden should be under a doctor's care.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Clocker

What Palin said is true or not true, regardless of who said it. Personal attacks on Palin, deserved or not, do not answer charges of Obama's incompetence.

Everything I posted in #38 is a verifiable statement made by Palin, and there dozens more in a similar vein. Everyone of those statements is proof that Palin lacks the intellectual capacity to be a checker at the local Piggly Wiggly, much less criticize Barack Obama.

You posted.
Originally Posted by mostpost

I can't counter any of Palin's criticism of Obama, so I am going to respond with a bunch of irrelevant personal attacks on Palin.

I never posted anything like that so stop posting lies.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by davew

hey mostly, could you describe the Bush doctrine? as it was a term fabricated by the press...

The main tenets of the Bush Doctrine was that the US had the right to engage, militarily and other wise with countries that supported or harbored terrorist and that we had the right to wage preventive war against such countries. It also declared that we would act unilaterally if no one supported us.

It was a term coined by the press. So what? The Carter Doctrine was a term coined by the press. As was the Truman Doctrine and even the Monroe Doctrine.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Everything I posted in #38 is a verifiable statement made by Palin, and there dozens more in a similar vein. Everyone of those statements is proof that Palin lacks the intellectual capacity to be a checker at the local Piggly Wiggly, much less criticize Barack Obama.

You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.

And you don't need to be a genius to point out that the emperor has no clothes.

You posted.
Originally Posted by mostpost

I can't counter any of Palin's criticism of Obama, so I am going to respond with a bunch of irrelevant personal attacks on Palin.

I never posted anything like that so stop posting lies.

I just summarized what you said, kind of like a Cliff's Notes version to save people the trouble of having to actually plow through it.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Mostpost: I am sorry you did not how to deal with a smart woman in your life. Your man hood going south is not her fault. Keep dreaming pal. Blame it someone else

Except for your mama, I have nothing but smart women in my life and I get along just fine. And I do not need to enhance my manhood by making foolish comments about some one else's.

[Tom]

I just summarized what you said, kind of like a Cliff's Notes version to save people the trouble of having to actually plow through it.

Cliff?
Cliff Claven?

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Do you ever read what you write?? lmao....
So, the American people were not going to "buy" that a first term governor from Alaska (who did a good job by the way) was ready to be president......

Yet they bought hook line and sinker that a community organizer, that had never ran anything was ready???

She was doing such a good job that she had to resign because she couldn't take the heat she was getting for the crap she pulled in her term up that point. Obama won because the GOP did not put up a good team to run against him. It is really that simple. The GOP won't win until they field better candidates. As I said before McCain might have won if he had put somebody more acceptable to the electorate. No matter how much you like her or dislike Obama, she is not a candidate with wide appeal.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

McCain made the worst mistake in recent history by picking her. He did not address his biggest weakness, his age. When Reagan ran he realized that he needed as a VP somebody who looked like he could step in right now.

Reagan could have picked a pig and it wouldn't have mattered.

In 1980 he won 489 electoral votes.

In '84 he won 49 states and 525 electoral votes.

Among all the republican party infighting, McCain faced one insurmountable obstacle:

He was on the wrong side of a politically correct election.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Among all the republican party infighting, McCain faced one insurmountable obstacle:

He was on the wrong side of a politically correct election.

Most of the analysis I saw after the election showed that Palin cost some votes and gained some votes, and over-all appeared to have little effect on the final totals.

It didn't matter what McCain did, he could not have won that election. No Republican could have. The election was about Bush, and the mood of the country was anti-Bush. Who ever got the Democratic nomination that year was the next president.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Reagan could have picked a pig and it wouldn't have mattered.

In 1980 he won 489 electoral votes.

In '84 he won 49 states and 525 electoral votes.

Among all the republican party infighting, McCain faced one insurmountable obstacle:

He was on the wrong side of a politically correct election.

When McCain showed up in Washington after the Leman collapse and the republican house members hung him out to dry, real questions about his leadership abilities emerged. Despite his bad choice at VP and that, he still almost won. It shows how weak a candidate Obama really was. The GOP gave us that election on a silver platter. I as much I as I don't I like to think it, the country was and still is basically what conservatives call a Rino nation. Heaven helps us democrats if the GOP ever puts up even a decent candidate. But from what I have seen, they aren't likely to do that.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Despite his bad choice at VP and that, he still almost won.

It was not a close election. Obama won 10 million more votes and almost 2/1 in the electoral college.

Obama
365
69,498,516

McCain
173
59,948,323

[delayjf]

She was doing such a good job that she had to resign because she couldn't take the heat she was getting for the crap she pulled in her term up that point

In her defense, she didn't have the IRS at her disposal to go alpha on her opponants.

[_______]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

When McCain showed up in Washington after the Leman collapse and the republican house members hung him out to dry, real questions about his leadership abilities emerged. Despite his bad choice at VP and that, he still almost won. It shows how weak a candidate Obama really was. The GOP gave us that election on a silver platter. I as much I as I don't I like to think it, the country was and still is basically what conservatives call a Rino nation. Heaven helps us democrats if the GOP ever puts up even a decent candidate. But from what I have seen, they aren't likely to do that.

I think the financial crisis is what doomed McCain. Most Presidential elections are either ones where people feel good about the state of the nation and are unwilling to consider an insurgent candidate or, like 2008, where things looks so grim that they will.

People were already unhappy about Iraq. The financial crisis sealed it.

Someone else posted earlier that Palin didn't make any difference and all the post election polling does seem to confirm that. She wasn't the reason McCain lost.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Most of the analysis I saw after the election showed that Palin cost some votes and gained some votes, and over-all appeared to have little effect on the final totals.

I agree for the most part on what you just said, Clocker, but I do recall that days leading up to the GOP nominating convention, Obama was double-digits in front in most polls, especially those polls that future Obama stenographers at ABC, MSNBC, CNN and the rest of the cabal were citing.

Then McCain picked Palin, and Sarah's acceptance speech won over the conservatives that basically had no use for McCain and was going to stay home. Within a week or so, the McCain-Palin ticket overcame most of that double-digit poll deficit. Thanks to Sarah.

Then the vulgar main stream press went into attack mode on Sarah, and we know the rest. They knew Sarah was making sense and energizing a morbid McCain. They needed to crush her personally, good liberals that they are.

Of course, the misogynst Karl Rove also showed his lack of class by basically siding with the vulgarians in the left wing media, which didn't help. Then add the clowns that ran McCain's campaign like Steve Schmidt and Mike Murphy, who put the final siiv into Sarah's back and the election was lost.

It didn't matter what McCain did, he could not have won that election. No Republican could have. The election was about Bush, and the mood of the country was anti-Bush. Who ever got the Democratic nomination that year was the next president.

Once again, Clocker, you're spot on. But McCain also lost the race by his own doing as well, especially in the early days of the financial meltdown when he suspended his campaign for a few days. McCain offered no answers nor solutions to the crisis and looked like a boob when asked about it.

[Robert Goren]

You forgot about Sarah's melt down when asked relative simple questions in the debate and her interviews. I don't what she expecting to asked, but it sure in the Hell what she was asked. She was a deer in the headlights. People don't understand when you are asked what you read and you don't have an answer. The far right can forgive one their own for something like that but rest of us have a major problem.