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Old 04-17-2019, 03:56 PM   #1
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Question on Bridge Jumping

I would never make a show bet that I knew was going to pay back $2.10

but the West Virginia tracks - Mountaineer and Charlestown have a regulations that requires them to pay back double; a minimum of $2.20 or 10% profit

I've never done it, but do you think that considering the payout is double that it could ever be a good bet? i.e. a short field of 5 or 6 in a 4.5 furlong race that features one horse that is obviously much faster than the rest of the field

also, because of the higher payout there are many jumpers there creating opportunities to bet against the big horse

what's your opinion?
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:43 PM   #2
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I would never make a show bet that I knew was going to pay back $2.10

but the West Virginia tracks - Mountaineer and Charlestown have a regulations that requires them to pay back double; a minimum of $2.20 or 10% profit

I've never done it, but do you think that considering the payout is double that it could ever be a good bet? i.e. a short field of 5 or 6 in a 4.5 furlong race that features one horse that is obviously much faster than the rest of the field

also, because of the higher payout there are many jumpers there creating opportunities to bet against the big horse

what's your opinion?
I strongly vote against bridge jumping.

20cents doesn't buy a nice night on the town.

Betting a lot, to win a little (trying to turn that 20cents into a score) is a fast-track to a sad story.

There's a reason they call it "Bridge Jumping"...

You can only bet substantial wagers to show at the track (against rules of ADW):


Are there ever 'overlays' or even simply good gambling opportunities? - sure, but not only do those opportunities require an elusive level of information to actually know with any degree of confidence, they are also very "close to the ledge" of problem-gambling to where such 'scientific' measures easily become blurred.

TLDR: FORGET ABOUT IT


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also, because of the higher payout there are many jumpers there creating opportunities to bet against the big horse
This, is a better idea.
Once in a blue moon, a questionable chalk will catch 'bridgejumper' desperate action... These are terribly rare, but if you find one, you can gamble a few bucks and have a shot at a nice score.
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:54 PM   #3
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I would never make a show bet that I knew was going to pay back $2.10

but the West Virginia tracks - Mountaineer and Charlestown have a regulations that requires them to pay back double; a minimum of $2.20 or 10% profit

I've never done it, but do you think that considering the payout is double that it could ever be a good bet? i.e. a short field of 5 or 6 in a 4.5 furlong race that features one horse that is obviously much faster than the rest of the field

also, because of the higher payout there are many jumpers there creating opportunities to bet against the big horse

what's your opinion?
If you look at the "Who is shelling all of these 1-9 and 1-5 shots?" thread, you'll see one of the database posters indicated a show-bet ROI of roughly 0.90 on horses bet down to 1/9. I assume some of those bets were in WV and IA, but maybe in isolation (just WV and IA) you could get to breakeven, not sure. However, as RF stated this type of play will not be welcomed by your ADW.

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Old 04-17-2019, 05:18 PM   #4
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I strongly vote against bridge jumping.

20cents doesn't buy a nice night on the town.

Betting a lot, to win a little (trying to turn that 20cents into a score) is a fast-track to a sad story.

There's a reason they call it "Bridge Jumping"...

You can only bet substantial wagers to show at the track (against rules of ADW):


Are there ever 'overlays' or even simply good gambling opportunities? - sure, but not only do those opportunities require an elusive level of information to actually know with any degree of confidence, they are also very "close to the ledge" of problem-gambling to where such 'scientific' measures easily become blurred.

TLDR: FORGET ABOUT IT



This, is a better idea.
Once in a blue moon, a questionable chalk will catch 'bridgejumper' desperate action... These are terribly rare, but if you find one, you can gamble a few bucks and have a shot at a nice score.
they should get rid of breakage alltogether by paying down to the penny. but the tracks don't want to give up all that breakage that they earn. my guess is that if they did get rid of positive and negative breakage they would wind up with much more handle.

as far as jumping into $2.10 horses, you are in a heap of trouble before you start. there is no way you can win 20 out of 21 in the money horses. $2.20 is a different story. the big guys that jump at the $2.10 horses also hedge their bets. they are probably rooting to lose the big bet and make it back with the hedge and then some.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:49 PM   #5
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thanks for the answers

as far as the ADW not wanting this action - I live fairly close to Charlestown and it's a beautiful drive up there so that part of it is not a concern

if I ever did it, it would not be with a great sum of money
a loss wouldn't put me on a bridge........
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Old 04-17-2019, 07:41 PM   #6
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thanks for the answers

as far as the ADW not wanting this action - I live fairly close to Charlestown and it's a beautiful drive up there so that part of it is not a concern

if I ever did it, it would not be with a great sum of money
a loss wouldn't put me on a bridge........
So what would be the point in betting, say, $500 to win $50? If you don't bet an amount that means something to you, then the profit will be so small that it won't matter.
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...a minimum of $2.20...do you think...it could ever be a good bet?

Yes, Portland Meadows, 7th race, January 3, 1979.


Why wouldn't it be?
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The bet to make is on everyone else to show.
IF you see a bridge jump bet, bet everything else to show and hope it runs out.

You either lose a little of make some good money on the big show payoffs.

I bet a horse once, long time ago, $5WP at OTB.
Went out to lunch cane back, and saw my horse won! I was happy until I saw the payoffs....$12.80 $6.20 $52.80
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thanks for the answers

as far as the ADW not wanting this action - I live fairly close to Charlestown and it's a beautiful drive up there so that part of it is not a concern

if I ever did it, it would not be with a great sum of money
a loss wouldn't put me on a bridge........
Watch out for the Harpers Ferry speed trap.
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I believe you mentioned 2 of the top 3 tracks that I look for bridge jumpers on. Earlier this year at CT, on one card there was 3 races with jumpers, NONE of them hit the board.
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The bet to make is on everyone else to show.
IF you see a bridge jump bet, bet everything else to show and hope it runs out.

You either lose a little of make some good money on the big show payoffs.

I bet a horse once, long time ago, $5WP at OTB.
Went out to lunch cane back, and saw my horse won! I was happy until I saw the payoffs....$12.80 $6.20 $52.80

That's a great story. On a daily basis there are people who get stung by what I call the zig-zag. You know you feel one way but you bet another and how you felt is what wins. You zig and the race zags!



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There is only one way to make a Bridge Jumper bet and that is with your student loan money. Nobody expect you to pay it back.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:40 AM   #13
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Watch out for the Harpers Ferry speed trap.
Funny, I never saw a cop between Fredrick and about 5 miles out of Harpers Ferry, but they were around after that.
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Funny, I never saw a cop between Fredrick and about 5 miles out of Harpers Ferry, but they were around after that.
when I was a kid I heard rumors of the IRS agents going up into those mountains there trying to hassle the moonshiners

the rumor was: they went up into the mountains - but they never came back down
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when I was a kid I heard rumors of the IRS agents going up into those mountains there trying to hassle the moonshiners

the rumor was: they went up into the mountains - but they never came back down
I heard the same rumor about bridgejumpers...hope we talked you out of that idea except for, as Tom said, playing the other horses in the race if you see a bridgejumper bet.
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