Religion III

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

No I can't and you can't
I am suggesting there is a larger context going well past the literal.

Do you think Hamlet is only about a Prince of Denmark? Shakespeare ma not have written literally about the divine or witnessed the miraculous, but some think her wrote divinely. Why?

Perhaps depth, multilevel significance just like anything of value in life, things are rarely on one surface level only.

Do you prefer Rap to Bach?

So you're denied the Disapora occurred in 70 A.D?

And no you haven't been talking about context at all! You've been ignoring context altogether! You have been talking about butchering the passage by allegorizing it beyond recognition.

The passage is strictly talking about the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, which Jesus said would happen within his generation. And it did! This brought an end once and for all to Mosaic system of Judaism.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So you're denied the Disapora occurred in 70 A.D?

And no you haven't been talking about context at all! You've been ignoring context altogether! You have been talking about butchering the passage by allegorizing it beyond recognition.

The passage is strictly talking about the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, which Jesus said would happen within his generation. And it did! This brought an end once and for all to Mosaic system of Judaism.

I said semi-real, or some not so historically accurate historical events were used, as well as purely FICTITIOUS historical events as analogous tales for the inner landscape. For instance, thre is very little secular evidence historically or archaeologically to back the religious version of Exodus although there is some

According to biblical scripture the Hebrews led by the patriarch Moses took his formerly enslaved people out of Egypt during the reign of Rameses II.The history of Rameses is exceptionally well documented but there is scant evidence of any such event. Further the scriptures tell us that Moses took his followers, numbering in the tens of thousands on a 40 year trek around what we today call the middle east. No archeological evidence of any such diaspora has ever been found in any of the likely locations that this long event would have been situated and no historical documentation exists from any of the many different peoples that such an event would have affected.

Yet the writers of Exodus the Metaphor, gathered myths, and legends floating around the local ancient cultures, to craft a dramatic tale that resounds till today. There is the surface, and beneath the surface.

But as always there is the distortion of the giant game of religious historical telephone. The original message becomes almost unrecognizable as it makes the rounds

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Are you moving the goal posts again?

I'm asking where in hell you think the goal posts are.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Is gravity visible to the eye?

I never said it was. It's effect is detectable. The instrumentation by which it is detectable is visible to the eye.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Is gravity matter than can be seen?

Gravity is a force. Do you not know the difference between force and matter?

So again, what's your point?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

I said semi-real, or some not so historically accurate historical events were used, as well as purely FICTITIOUS historical events as analogous tales for the inner landscape. For instance, thre is very little secular evidence historically or archaeologically to back the religious version of Exodus although there is some

According to biblical scripture the Hebrews led by the patriarch Moses took his formerly enslaved people out of Egypt during the reign of Rameses II.The history of Rameses is exceptionally well documented but there is scant evidence of any such event. Further the scriptures tell us that Moses took his followers, numbering in the tens of thousands on a 40 year trek around what we today call the middle east. No archeological evidence of any such diaspora has ever been found in any of the likely locations that this long event would have been situated and no historical documentation exists from any of the many different peoples that such an event would have affected.

Yet the writers of Exodus the Metaphor, gathered myths, and legends floating around the local ancient cultures, to craft a dramatic tale that resounds till today. There is the surface, and beneath the surface.

But as always there is the distortion of the giant game of religious historical telephone. The original message becomes almost unrecognizable as it makes the rounds

The Exodus is not the topic here or in Mark 13. The Diaspora of 70 A.D. is! Get a grip on your runaway brain and mouth.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So you're denied[sic] the Disapora[sic] occurred in 70 A.D?

Check your spelling.

According to M-W the word "diaspora" refers to the scattering of the Jewish people following the Babylonian captivity. That occurred centuries before 70 C.E. I'll leave to you to look up the date.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I'm asking where in hell you think the goal posts are.

I never said it was. It's effect is detectable. The instrumentation by which it is detectable is visible to the eye.

Gravity is a force. Do you not know the difference between force and matter?

So again, what's your point?

The point is that the entire universe isn't visible. Many invisible components comprise the universe.

Also, the cause (gravity itself) is not detectable. You have just admitted that only it's effect is detectable.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The point is that the entire universe isn't visible. Many invisible components comprise the universe.

Also, the cause (gravity itself) is not detectable. You have just admitted that only it's effect is detectable.

So what? Everything is detectable by effects. Vision is the effect of light stimulating the nerves of the retina of your eye. Hearing is the effect of a variation in air pressure. Smell is the effect of chemicals on the olfactory nerves. Taste is the effect of chemicals on nerves in your tongue. Touch is the effect of pressure on the skin.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

So what? Everything is detectable by effects. Vision is the effect of light stimulating the nerves of the retina of your eye. Hearing is the effect of a variation in air pressure. Smell is the effect of chemicals on the olfactory nerves. Taste is the effect of chemicals on nerves in your tongue. Touch is the effect of pressure on the skin.

Which means very many of those effects' causes are not visible!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Check your spelling.

According to M-W the word "diaspora" refers to the scattering of the Jewish people following the Babylonian captivity. That occurred centuries before 70 C.E. I'll leave to you to look up the date.

But it also occurred in 70 A.D. Also, you're lying by omission. There is a range of definitions for "diaspora".

noun
(usually initial capital letter) the scattering of the Jews to countries outside of Palestine after the Babylonian captivity.

(often initial capital letter) the body of Jews living in countries outside Israel.

often initial capital letter) such countries collectively: the return of the Jews from the Diaspora.
any group migration or flight from a country or region.

any group that has been dispersed outside its traditional homeland, especially involuntarily, as Africans during the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

any religious group living as a minority among people of the prevailing religion.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/diaspora?s=t

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Which means very many of those effects' causes are not visible!

So what?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

So what?

It makes the point I made earlier. Try to keep up, Dumpty.

P.S. The Uncaused Cause is invisible, too, for your info.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

It makes the point I made earlier.

What point was that? Try not to obfuscate.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

But it also occurred in 70 A.D.

Check your history books. By 70 C.E. the Jews were pretty much scattered. E.g., Jewish historian Philo lived in Alexandria. There may even have been more Jews living outside Palestine than in Palestine.

Originally Posted by boxcar

Also, you're lying by omission. There is a range of definitions for "diaspora".

So now you don't accept M-W?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Check your history books. By 70 C.E. the Jews were pretty much scattered. E.g., Jewish historian Philo lived in Alexandria. There may even have been more Jews living outside Palestine than in Palestine.

So now you don't accept M-W?

But prior to the Diaspora of 70 A.D., Israel was still a nation. They still had a a national identity. And they had their temple which was the epicenter of their religious, cultural and even political life, since the nation was a theocracy.

You don't like Dictionary.com?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

What point was that? Try not to obfuscate.

I made it earlier today. Can't keep up, huh? Tsk, tsk, tsk.