Justify retired

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by Grits

Retiring your horse, yes, I get that. Then, only minutes after this announcement, you begin to hawk on the internet, a tour of your horse farm, starting at $20 per person for one hour, then $30 per person for two hours, etc, etc. Book early, beginning August 16 as there is no guarantee that Justify will be available for viewing as he could move to another farm. Any and all cancellations must be made 48 hours in advance.

And you have a deal for 60+M.

I don't see how Troutt can keep a straight face...what a joke these folks are.

Yea, thats crap. do they require fees to normally tour their stallions?

[Grits]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Yea, thats crap. do they require fees to normally tour their stallions?

I've been to many farms...and have never been asked to pay a dime. I have tipped all of the stallions handlers when at each. Saw Tiznow, Distorted Humor and others just after Tiz was retired to Winstar.

I have to add, regarding champions, one of the greatest sights I've seen in this sport was at the top of the stretch at Keeneland when Pharoah turned it loose and smoked the field in the Classic. And I feel the same way about Gun Runner. These two horses did far more for the sport.

Justify will always be a flash...a memorable one, yet still, simply that. Though, he was surely handsome and all about business.

[NY BRED]

This incredible thoroughbred won 9 straight races, never ran as a two
year old and beat multiple contenders at various tracks at different
distances and surfaces. Name another horse that has this record.

Does winning the Haskell add to the legend of this incredible horse?
What does winning or losing the Breeders Cup add, at this point
to the accomplishments of this horse?

Anyone connected to this game is aware of the risks facing the horse and
jockey in racing and works. An example is the serious injury to Victor Espinoza and death of a really good horse during a recent workout.


The owners of Justify have the right and duty to protect their
horse, and, btw, their investment.

Wouldn't you?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

I think Don Larsen should be in Cooperstown all because of one great afternoon in October 1956. It is the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Statistics, which is exactly what it has become.

I actually agree woth your last statement- Red Grange is in Canton, after all. But Justify doesn't get in on fame either.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

The owners of Justify have the right and duty to protect their
horse, and, btw, their investment.

Wouldn't you?

Ahmed Zayat protected his rather nicely. Knowing, too, his horse could possibly lose the Classic. Four words...Keen Ice-Travers Stakes. Victor and Pharoah never even saw him coming.

Still, Zayat had passion for his champion and for this sport. Winstar, et al, no, they're just about the money.

[bobphilo]

This is what can be expected when a sport becomes primarily a business so that, from a strictly business point of view, it was the right decision. The problem is that for racing to continue to exist as a business it must be perceived by the public as a sport whose participants are not solely acting in their own self interest. What is lacking in racing is a powerful central governing body whose primary interest is the protection of the sport. Instead we have the inmates running the asylum.
I'm not sure I remember this correctly but I once read that the German Jockey Club, in addition to never having raced on performance enhancing drugs, a horse must also have raced for 2 full seasons before it can stand at stud. Other sports have powerful central bodies for their own protection. That's why athletes in other sports would never be considered for their Halls of Fame after only playing a few games. In addition, this is what racing needs so we can have uniform drug laws as well.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Grits

Ahmed Zayat protected his rather nicely. Knowing, too, his horse could possibly lose the Classic. Four words...Keen Ice-Travers Stakes. Victor and Pharoah never even saw him coming.

Still, Zayat had passion for his champion and for this sport. Winstar, et al, no, they're just about the money.

Bear in mind Seattle Slew, who was more valuable as a stallion than either AP or Justify, raced at 4 after sn injury at 3. There's nothing particularly dangerous about a horse racing as a 4 year old..They just get their breeding money one year later.

[soonboomer]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

Bear in mind Seattle Slew, who was more valuable as a stallion than either AP or Justify, raced at 4 after sn injury at 3. There's nothing particularly dangerous about a horse racing as a 4 year old..They just get their breeding money one year later.

Slew wasn't thought to be a well bred horse when he was racing. He obviously became one of the all time great sires, but it wasn't because of his pedigree.

[Spalding No!]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

This incredible thoroughbred won 9 straight races

The myth and legend begins already...

[Afleet]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

This incredible thoroughbred won 9 straight races, never ran as a two
year old and beat multiple contenders at various tracks at different
distances and surfaces. Name another horse that has this record.

Does winning the Haskell add to the legend of this incredible horse?
What does winning or losing the Breeders Cup add, at this point
to the accomplishments of this horse?

Anyone connected to this game is aware of the risks facing the horse and
jockey in racing and works. An example is the serious injury to Victor Espinoza and death of a really good horse during a recent workout.


The owners of Justify have the right and duty to protect their
horse, and, btw, their investment.

Wouldn't you?

I only count 6 wins

[Afleet]

Spectacular Bid would have beaten this horse by a pole

[jimmyb]

A triple crown winner will be a lock.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

Yea, thats crap. do they require fees to normally tour their stallions?

The only times I've heard of people paying is if they use one of those multi-farm tour companies.

Spendthrift is great. You can't see her colt any more, but you can go hang out with Beholder every Friday. Shame they gave the little fellow such a crap name: Q B One

Taylor Made may charge for Chrome, not sure, but they had a ton of people descend on them to visit him, so it may have just been to manage the tide, if so. Some of those people go several times a year. Very dedicated fans.

I wouldn't pay. It's not like these farms aren't hard up for cash.

Most of the guys I want to visit are at Old Friends any way. I wanted to go see Game on Dude this summer, but ain't going to happen.

[Someday Silent]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

This incredible thoroughbred won 9 straight races, never ran as a two
year old and beat multiple contenders at various tracks at different
distances and surfaces. Name another horse that has this record.

Does winning the Haskell add to the legend of this incredible horse?
What does winning or losing the Breeders Cup add, at this point
to the accomplishments of this horse?

Anyone connected to this game is aware of the risks facing the horse and
jockey in racing and works. An example is the serious injury to Victor Espinoza and death of a really good horse during a recent workout.


The owners of Justify have the right and duty to protect their
horse, and, btw, their investment.

Wouldn't you?

Where in the world do you get 9 races from?

Yes, racing is dangerous, but the life of a breeding stallion can be just as dangerous. Stallions can get kicked by mares, drop dead of heart attacks (like Justify's sire did), or kill themselves in any number of ways out in their paddocks.

[papillon]

Originally Posted by Spalding No!

The myth and legend begins already...

Heh!

It's like War Admiral's size. He was only 15.2 hands and weighed under 1000lbs. Just a little bigger than MTB. But if you ask most people they'll say 17h.

What's weird to me is that Justify's size is always mentioned, but Quality Road was the same size and I don't remember anyone talking about it like it was a big deal with QR. Same with Hard Spun and Uncle Mo. Rock Hard Ten's size always came up, but he was over 17h and barely fit in the gate.

FWIW, since he's off to the shed--the best sires have tended to be wee fellows 15.2-.3-ish

The two world leaders are only 16h--Tapit and Galelieo.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-always-better