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10-24-2023, 12:10 AM
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October 7: The Day the Delusions Died
What a fantastic piece:
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-day-the-...nstantin-kisin
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When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.
A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?
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Many people woke up on October 7 sympathetic to parts of woke ideology and went to bed that evening questioning how they had signed on to a worldview that had nothing to say about the mass rape and murder of innocent people by terrorists.
The reaction to the attacks—from outwardly pro-Hamas protests to the mealy-mouthed statements of college presidents, celebrities, and CEOs—has exploded the comforting stories many on the center-left have told themselves about progressive identity politics. For many years, they opted for the coping mechanism of pretending that the institutional capture of universities, corporations, and media organizations by the woke mind virus was no big deal. “Sure, students shutting down events they disagree with is annoying,” they would say, “but it’s just students doing what students do.”
October 8 was a wake-up call for those who didn’t appreciate that the ideology of the campus has spread to our cities, supercharged by social media.
We woke up on October 8 to the clamor of street protests in cities across the West condemning Israel even before any major Israeli response to the attacks. We watched celebratory crowds brandish swastikas and chant “gas the Jews” at events purporting to be about the loss of Palestinian lives. We saw Black Lives Matter chapters lionize terrorists.
In London, where I live, we watched the mayor deliver glib assurances that “London’s diversity is our greatest strength” in the midst of a wave of antisemitic attacks, and as Jewish schools were forced to close because of safety concerns.
Across the West, we noticed that our representatives refused to condemn Hamas’s kidnappings, and that the legacy media was all too eager to swallow and regurgitate Hamas propaganda.
Prior to the October 7 massacre, many students, alumni, and donors with the “unconstrained vision” trusted that the university—for all its many problems—remained the West’s best environment for civil discourse.
But then they watched university presidents who were quick to issue statements condemning the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the killing of George Floyd fall silent, or offer the most slippery, equivocal statements carefully crafted to avoid offending anti-Israel groups. They watched an Israeli at Columbia get beaten with a stick, and heard reports about the physical intimidation of students on campuses across the country. They read about dozens of student organizations at Harvard signing a letter holding Israel “entirely responsible” for the massacre of Israelis.
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There is so much more here then the above...it's one of the best things I've read in a really long time.
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10-24-2023, 06:58 AM
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Allowing this new breed of sympathizers (protesters) to operate here without consequences is amazing. They're minds are obviously dangerous to ordinary citizens and no one does anything to stop it.
I see the world in a heap of shit that few are really concerned about. Amazing how humans have lowered their standards unwilling even to protect themselves.
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10-24-2023, 10:46 AM
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PA Steward
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This is a really good addendum to the above article (click on the SHOW MORE link and read the whole thing):
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10-24-2023, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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Outstanding piece.
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10-24-2023, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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Bari Weiss is great!
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10-24-2023, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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No one wakes up in the morning as a liberal and goes to bed that evening a conservative. The gap is simply too wide. Excusing what Israel has done to Palestinians is as bad as excusing the murders perpetrated by Hamas. Neither justifies the other.
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10-24-2023, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
No one wakes up in the morning as a liberal and goes to bed that evening a conservative. The gap is simply too wide. Excusing what Israel has done to Palestinians is as bad as excusing the murders perpetrated by Hamas. Neither justifies the other.
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You leftists are your own worst enemy.
You wonder how Donald Trump got elected in 2016? Because of leftists like you.
I told you the backlash was coming.
I just hope it arrives in full force in time to save this country from you.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 10-24-2023 at 02:40 PM.
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10-24-2023, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
No one wakes up in the morning as a liberal and goes to bed that evening a conservative. The gap is simply too wide. Excusing what Israel has done to Palestinians is as bad as excusing the murders perpetrated by Hamas. Neither justifies the other.
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So glad that you seem to think you speak for all liberals, you do not. Your views including your extreme hatred of all conflicting opinions, judging people by skin color, political alliance and sexual orientation, paint you in about a 10% left corner. Go to MSN and look at thumps up and down on the views you align with, you are in the 5-10% crowd. It very well could be people being honest sitting by themselves and not even using a screen name, when they have an identity they tow the party line. A good example is when men compete against women a la Lia Thomas in athletics and shatter their records, the support for that is minuscule, and on those articles they do not allow comments most of the time.
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10-24-2023, 02:33 PM
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Just another Facist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mostpost
No one wakes up in the morning as a liberal and goes to bed that evening a conservative. The gap is simply too wide. Excusing what Israel has done to Palestinians is as bad as excusing the murders perpetrated by Hamas. Neither justifies the other.
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Disgraceful………..
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10-24-2023, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You leftists are your own worse enemy.
You wonder how Donald Trump got elected in 2016? Because of leftists like you.
I told you the backlash was coming.
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You wonder how Donald Trump got thumped in 2020 and will get thumped even harder in 2024 if he's not convicted of multiple felonies first? Because of MAGA mopes like you.
That's the REAL backlash, not your fantasy one.
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10-24-2023, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dick Whitman
You wonder how Donald Trump got thumped in 2020
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I don't wonder at all. I know exactly how.
Massive election rigging from 2015-November 2020.
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10-24-2023, 02:50 PM
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Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are not inevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.
By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.
The paragraphs above come from a book called Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell. They are quoted in the link in the OP.
As is stated, paragraph two is a good synopsis of the Conservative world view. And, it is completely wrong in soma ways. Human empathy is almost universal. The problem is that it is in short supply among so many world leaders. Or national leaders.
I’m not sure what to make of the statement, “Social resources are necessarily scarce. What do they mean by social resources? Why is it necessary that they be scarce? Except as a way to control people. Isn’t that essentially the conservative agenda?
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10-24-2023, 03:05 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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When we were talking about gun violence in Chicago a couple of years ago, mostpost mimimized it by saying it was mostly in just certain neighbiorhoods.
You know, it was just "those people."
That's all you need know about mostpost.
And the other lefty, DICK.....well, that is all you need know about him.
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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10-24-2023, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Inner Dirt
So glad that you seem to think you speak for all liberals, you do not. Your views including your extreme hatred of all conflicting opinions, judging people by skin color, political alliance and sexual orientation, paint you in about a 10% left corner. Go to MSN and look at thumps up and down on the views you align with, you are in the 5-10% crowd. It very well could be people being honest sitting by themselves and not even using a screen name, when they have an identity they tow the party line. A good example is when men compete against women a la Lia Thomas in athletics and shatter their records, the support for that is minuscule, and on those articles they do not allow comments most of the time.
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A thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters would make more sense than you. I’m not the one making false statements about Black Lives Matter. I’m not the one posting fake memes about Biden’s so called dementia or phony pedophilia. It isn’t me calling LGBTQ folks perverts and calling for their arrest or execution.
That’s you.
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10-24-2023, 03:21 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by mostpost
A thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters would make more sense than you. I’m not the one making false statements about Black Lives Matter. I’m not the one posting fake memes about Biden’s so called dementia or phony pedophilia. It isn’t me calling LGBTQ folks perverts and calling for their arrest or execution.
That’s you.
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LITERALLY posted on twitter by BLM Chicago:
https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/blm-ch...as-paraglider/
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