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Old 09-08-2021, 12:22 PM   #61
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You couldn't be more wrong. Joseph Mercola is at the very forefront of health and wellness, and his "non-mainstream" advice is always impeccably researched. If the mainstream types DIDN'T think that he is a "scammer"...then this would have been a dead giveaway that he is as big a fraud as they are.

You keep telling us here that you are retired with an impressive retirement fund due to your wise investing. Since you obviously have both time and money...buy one of the man's inexpensive books so you can find out something about him...instead of commenting on things that you know nothing about.
Never thought I’d say this. You are wrong. Classhandicapper is right.
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Old 09-08-2021, 12:25 PM   #62
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Heard they called Galileo a scammer back in his day too. He was trying to sell people these silly contraptions called telescopes...everyone knew the thing was a tool of the DEVIL!
So the fact Galileo wasn’t a scammer 500 years ago proves Mercola isn’t a scammer today. Interesting theory.
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Heard they called Galileo a scammer back in his day too. He was trying to sell people these silly contraptions called telescopes...everyone knew the thing was a tool of the DEVIL!
Interesting that you think Galileo’s problem was that he was trying to sell telescopes.I don’t think anyone has come up with that theory before.

He was espousing a heliocentric model of the Solar System; while the Catholic Church knew the Solar System was geocentric. Just like Boxcar knows Adam and Eve were real people and Eve talked to a snake.
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Never thought I’d say this. You are wrong. Classhandicapper is right.
Now I'm reconsidering.
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Old 09-08-2021, 12:46 PM   #65
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Yeah...but then the libs, who cherish and lust for crises, wouldn't have had a crisis, from which to rescue us peons.
How are they are going to implement the great economic reset, a vast wealth redistribution, modern monetary theory to further erode sound money, politically correctness, and their anti freedom, anti free speech, totalitarian, marxist, socialist, CRT, Satan worshipping hell hole on earth. Of course they'll probably have to classify all the white Christian males as extremists so they can lock them up or exterminate them because they want and value freedom of thought and expression, free markets, sound money, hard work, merit, believe in God, and love the country. These white Christian men are really sickos.
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Old 09-08-2021, 01:36 PM   #66
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Never thought I’d say this. You are wrong. Classhandicapper is right.
Really?
Which one of his books did you read?
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Old 09-08-2021, 01:36 PM   #67
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Interesting that you think Galileo’s problem was that he was trying to sell telescopes.I don’t think anyone has come up with that theory before.

He was espousing a heliocentric model of the Solar System; while the Catholic Church knew the Solar System was geocentric. Just like Boxcar knows Adam and Eve were real people and Eve talked to a snake.
Shirley, even the bible doesn't teach that. So how could I?

BTW, Jesus believed in Adam and Eve.
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Old 09-08-2021, 02:11 PM   #69
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Heliocentric vs. Geocentric

Geocentric Model of the Universe --
The Earth is the center of the universe and is stationary. The moon, planets, Sun, and the stars revolve around the Earth. Knowledge and discovery that challenge the preordained order will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly punished.

Heliocentric Model of the Universe --
Celestial bodies do not revolve around a single point. The Moon orbits the Earth. The Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun. We're still not fully clear how the stars fit in but we're working on it.

Geocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
The AMA, CDC, FDA, NIH, Google, Facebook, Twitter, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, NYT, and WAPO are the center of the universe where all knowledge must come from. Knowledge and discovery emanating from anywhere else will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly dealt with.

Heliocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
We're smart enough to realize there's a awful lot we do not know. Scientific discovery and discussion are welcomed and encouraged. Any time a new idea is shown to improve patient's lives or make the planet a better place we'll go with it no matter where the idea came from.

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Old 09-08-2021, 03:38 PM   #70
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Imagine if health officials had allowed hydrochloroquine and ivermectin early treatment protocal at hospital and doctors offices
in March 2020.

How many more people would be alive.
How many small businesses would not be bankrupt or closed.
How many more children would not have missed a beat in schools
How many suicides would have been prevented.
How much death and destruction could have been prevented had we only tried these safe therapeutics.
This is so true and the biggest crime is that too few (percentage wise) know/believe/realize this. That is why we are in a very vulnerable space. Society as a whole seems more than willing to let government lead them right off a cliff.

You know it is funny, people talk about covid fatigue. I have zero (I would rather not work with a mask on, but I will live). What I have is deception fatigue. I am so tired of the flat out propaganda, manipulation of data, agenda, censorship, power grab, deceitfulness....It never ends and it is so wearing. Sadly, I think it is only going get worse unless society as a whole wises up and stops accepting and tolerating it. The alliance of Government, social media and MSM, is a powerful one. This power is unacceptable and if it isn't covid or vaccines that destroys us, it will be something else down the line. Don't care if people think everyone should take vaccines or nobody should take vaccines, everyone has a right to their opinion and to have their opinion respected. What I want is people to learn to use their own brain and think and stop letting these powerful forces think for them. Simply put if people don't think for themselves, we do not have a democracy.

Think about it, we have kids that from a very young age(and this has been going on for some time now), spend 8 hours a day on phones/social media. These are your voters/decision makers of tomorrow. If social media companies are allowed to censor like they do and are being encouraged to do by government, than propagandizing our entire society is actually pretty easy. Like I have pointed out before, you may be on their team this time around, no law says you will be the next time or the next.......
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Geocentric Model of the Universe --
The Earth is the center of the universe and is stationary. The moon, planets, Sun, and the stars revolve around the Earth. Knowledge and discovery that challenge the preordained order will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly punished.

Heliocentric Model of the Universe --
Celestial bodies do not revolve around a single point. The Moon orbits the Earth. The Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun. We're still not fully clear how the stars fit in but we're working on it.

Geocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
The AMA, CDC, FDA, NIH, Google, Facebook, Twitter, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, NYT, and WAPO are the center of the universe where all knowledge must come from. Knowledge and discovery emanating from anywhere else will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly dealt with.

Heliocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
We're smart enough to realize there's a awful lot we do not know. Scientific discovery and discussion are welcomed and encouraged. Any time a new idea is shown to improve patient's lives or make the planet a better place we'll go with it no matter where the idea came from.

Sound about right?


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Understanding Vaccine Hesitancy

Tabletmag.com | Konstantin Kisin | August 10, 2021
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https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/n...nstantin-kisin

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It is at this point that vaccines become the main focus of government policy and media commentary.

The same people who told you Brexit would never happen, that Trump would never win, that when he did win it was because of Russian collusion but also because of racism, that you must follow lockdowns while they don’t, that masks don’t work, that masks do work, that social justice protests during pandemic lockdowns are a form of “health intervention,” that ransacking African American communities in the name of fighting racism is a “mostly peaceful” form of protest, that poor and underserved children locked out of shuttered schools are “still learning,” that Jussie Smollett was a victim of a hate crime, that men are toxic, that there is an infinite number of genders, that COVID couldn’t have come from a lab until maybe it did, that closing borders is racist until maybe it isn’t, that you shouldn’t take Trump’s vaccine, that you must take the vaccine developed during the Trump administration, that Andrew Cuomo is a great leader, that Andrew Cuomo is a granny killer, that the number of COVID deaths is one thing and then another … are the same people telling you now that the vaccine is safe, that you must take it, and that if you don’t, you will be a second-class citizen.

Understand vaccine hesitancy now?


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Old 09-08-2021, 07:18 PM   #73
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Geocentric Model of the Universe --
The Earth is the center of the universe and is stationary. The moon, planets, Sun, and the stars revolve around the Earth. Knowledge and discovery that challenge the preordained order will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly punished.

Heliocentric Model of the Universe --
Celestial bodies do not revolve around a single point. The Moon orbits the Earth. The Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun. We're still not fully clear how the stars fit in but we're working on it.

Geocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
The AMA, CDC, FDA, NIH, Google, Facebook, Twitter, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, NYT, and WAPO are the center of the universe where all knowledge must come from. Knowledge and discovery emanating from anywhere else will be immediately quashed and the perpetrators harshly dealt with.

Heliocentric Model of Medicine/Science --
We're smart enough to realize there's a awful lot we do not know. Scientific discovery and discussion are welcomed and encouraged. Any time a new idea is shown to improve patient's lives or make the planet a better place we'll go with it no matter where the idea came from.

Sound about right?


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Nope! I mean a few parts are right but overall it’s wrong. Hello means sun. Anything that orbits the sun is heliocentric. Examples would be the planets, comets, the Asteroid Belt. The moon orbits the earth, not the Sun. It is geocentric not helio centric.

You’re misusing heliocentric and geocentric when talking about Medicine and science. These things are neither heliocentric nor geocentric.

None of that alphabet soup you refer to is where knowledge comes from. Nor does it come from some lone wolf researcher toiling in his or her basement. Progress comes from collaborative efforts verified by the medical and scientific community.
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...Progress comes from collaborative efforts verified by the medical and scientific community.
If only that last sentence still held a sliver of truth.


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Old 09-08-2021, 07:28 PM   #75
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Tabletmag.com | Konstantin Kisin | August 10, 2021
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https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/n...nstantin-kisin

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We should be beyond understanding why there is vaccine hesitancy including among those that chose to be vaccinated (like me) and trying to figure out why we haven't had a real insurrection yet given all the corruption, incompetence and lying going on in DC and in the media.
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