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06-18-2018, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
Because it is obviously wrong to separate children from their parents.
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You can't have it both ways. Or three or four ways, or however many you have espoused. You say that separating children is immoral. And you say that each of us to decide based on our own moral compass. Then you say that the winner, or the Prince, gets to write the rules. But the current Prince is The Donald, and you don't like his morality, or lack thereof. So now you are back to an absolute insistence that separating children is obviously wrong.
Sounds a lot like situational morality to me. Welcome to the brave new world of the 21st Century.
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06-18-2018, 11:42 PM
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#332
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
Your a broken recorder... action have consequences.
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As for the parents, some may have legitimate grounds to be granted asylum. Others might not. It sounds like there are laws and procedures in place that allow parents to state their cases.
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Yes, there are.
And just showing up is not the process.
Those that follow the rules get a chance to apply.
Those that just show up go to jail.
That is how laws work.
The kids can be sent back home to relatives, or they can stay in detention.
That was a choice their parents made for them.
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06-18-2018, 11:44 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by jocko699
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We need an 11th Commandment:
"Thou shall not whine!"
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06-18-2018, 11:46 PM
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Resurrectionist
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Cheyenne, Wy
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Originally Posted by Tom
We need an 11th Commandment:
"Thou shall not whine!"
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06-18-2018, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
They are NOT being treated cruelly or immorally by us. That is just your opinion.
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And Laura Bush's opinion and Billy Graham's son's opinion. They're a lot closer to the situation than I am. Like a handicapper I look at the information and place my bets. I am betting Bush and Graham are more right than you. This is one policy of Trump's that will likely fail.
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The parents acted cruelly and immorally towards them.
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On the contrary. Parents seeking asylum for their families took a morally correct action to try to protect their children.
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What do you think happens to kids in the US when their parents to to jail?
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You're falling behind. We've answered this several times in this thread.
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FORCING taxpayers to pay for their support is immoral
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So is separating innocent children from their asylum seeking parents.
Using children as pawns as the means to achieve political ends is also immoral.
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06-18-2018, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
We need an 11th Commandment:
"Thou shall not whine!"
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Agreed! Please stop! All of you! 
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06-18-2018, 11:51 PM
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Resurrectionist
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Cheyenne, Wy
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Originally Posted by highnote
Using children as pawns as the means to achieve political ends is also immoral.
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I completely agree their parents and the media are at fault.
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06-18-2018, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jocko699
I completely agree their parents and the media are at fault.
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Of course.
Well, in any event. I think you know my position. Feel free to keep arguing. You'll always be on the wrong side of the argument in my opinion, but that's ok. You're entitled to have a wrong opinion.
My opinion is that this will not be one of Trump's successful policies unless he changes the way it is being handled. Too many people are like me and don't want to see children abused and treated cruelly.
Like I said, I will take my chances and stand on the same side as Laura Bush and Billy Graham, Jr.
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06-19-2018, 12:01 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,534
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
I believe this is the pos responsible for pushing the zero tolerance crap
which has escalated this nightmare into overdrive. I wouldn't leave him
alone with young children, that's for sure.
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What nightmare? Wasn't a nightmare in 2014, was it? I didn't see you posting stuff like this back then.
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06-19-2018, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by highnote
In my opinion separating an innocent two year old from his or her mother is punishing the child.
More likely the parents are trying to escape from a situation that is so bad they are willing to suffer the consequences because the consequences are better than the reality of what they face at home.
The parents willingness to better their lives and the lives of their children does not justify the punishment of their children who have no say in the matter.
I am saddened that there are so many people who believe it is OK to treat innocent children this way; and in a country with more wealth than the world has ever seen.
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It's a wonder your sill breathing the way your heart bleeds for criminals.
What's your take on this law breaker.. Maria sells crack to give her 2 yr old a better life. Maria get busted in a undercover sting.
Should she also not be separated from her child. I mean her child had no say in mom slinging crack should it be punished by having mom jailed?
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06-19-2018, 12:08 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
What a sick joke you people are.
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I agree completely. But not how you want.
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06-19-2018, 12:09 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
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Oh well now...this changes everything. 
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06-19-2018, 12:10 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by highnote
This is paradise for pedophiles. Sickening. It's bad enough these people were desperate enough to make a thousand mile journey because things were so bad in their homeland, but then they get to America and have their kids taken away where they become vulnerable to sexual abuse.
Laura Bush is right. This is cruel and immoral.
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You know what else is paradise for pedophiles?
Schools. Churches. Playgrounds. I say we get rid of all three.
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06-19-2018, 12:15 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by highnote
I get it. You, and some others, think it is perfectly acceptable to separate a two year old child from his or her parents at the border.
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It's 100% acceptable. When parents intentionally put their children in harm's way, be it through neglect, drug use, prostitution in the home, meth labs, etc. etc...family services comes in and takes that child away from the irresponsible parent and the harmful environment.
Or do you now think children should be kept with parents no matter what?
The junkie parents passed out on the couch with needles in their arms? Nah...let the kids stay there...it's the new liberal way!
Parents who drag children hundreds of miles across multiple countries just to get to the USA illegally...are not responsible parents. They are abusive and neglectful and their children need to be placed into a safer environment, well away from these parents who think this is a good idea to begin with.
The parents are clueless criminals. We don't leave children with neglectful, clueless, criminal parents.
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06-19-2018, 12:18 AM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
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Originally Posted by highnote
This is exactly what is happening. It is unethical and immoral to separate children from their parents when the children had to choice but to follow their parents.
How dare you think it is ok to punish children who had no say in their parents' decision to bring them to America.
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This is a joke, right? You're punking us all...I get it now...good stuff.
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