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Old 08-20-2010, 10:17 PM   #46
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I'm afraid to say, I can maybe see why Andy Serling has you on ignore.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:26 PM   #47
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Jonnie

I'm afraid to say, I can maybe see why Andy Serling has you on ignore.
Hey, I'm just trying to find out who's on first in your statement here.

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Old 08-20-2010, 10:30 PM   #48
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No one specific Jonnie, just general comments



I can only speak from observations and imho A Serling and rest of guys at NYRA seem ok to me.


Anyway, AS don't need my help from what i've seen , so i is done.

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Old 08-20-2010, 11:06 PM   #49
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Why would I care if the industry takes me seriously or not?
I haven't been up to speed on just who it is you is but how you're able to make that statement after reading some of what I just did, having the misfortune to spend 17 minutes at your site, is beyond me.

You're a walking, talking infomercial for a garden variety tout service, envious of any attention given to others. Particularly those that don't have to run around hawkin' a service that is clearly sub-par.

Nice, you being able to be forthright with your potential customers with this slice of idiocy:

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Old 08-20-2010, 11:44 PM   #50
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, like the $45.00 horse in the ninth, what kind of handicapper could possibly see that comingjdl
There were at least 3 tickets on the horse in our tent at Saratoga

including one person who had the exacta ten times. So I guess, some could see it coming...........
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Why would I care if the industry takes me seriously or not?

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Because you're trying to get someone in the industry to notice you and your product, are you not?
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:59 AM   #52
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There were at least 3 tickets on the horse in our tent at Saratoga

including one person who had the exacta ten times. So I guess, some could see it coming...........
So would that amount to a couple, or as many as a few?
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:54 AM   #53
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I haven't been up to speed on just who it is you is but how you're able to make that statement after reading some of what I just did, having the misfortune to spend 17 minutes at your site, is beyond me.

You're a walking, talking infomercial for a garden variety tout service, envious of any attention given to others. Particularly those that don't have to run around hawkin' a service that is clearly sub-par.

Nice, you being able to be forthright with your potential customers with this slice of idiocy:
I guess you have special clearence to call me an idiot, it doesn't appear to be based on your own genius. First, the number one complaint on this board with regard to me in connection with my ratings is that I will not make a selection, for you. You somehow think that I am operating a selection service.

As far as claims go, I claim that people can learn more about horse racing in a few months with my ratings, than they could by reading a roomful of books on handicapping. You somehow think that I am operating a selection service.

So, go ahead, call me an idiot because I'm doing something different than you are. I'll call you genius, because you obviously know everything there is to know.

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Old 08-21-2010, 10:33 AM   #54
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Because you're trying to get someone in the industry to notice you and your product, are you not?
In 2008, yes. And, due to my own failure to understand the big picture, I made a few final pitches at this time last year. Through these efforts, my ignorance was cured as I could then see that it would be highly unlikely that the industry would ever welcome my product. This is only true because the industry has noticed my product.

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Old 08-21-2010, 10:58 AM   #55
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Because you're trying to get someone in the industry to notice you and your product, are you not?

Does Patrick count?
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I think Patrick's nickname should be "The Industry."

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You know, I looked at Jonnie's method very closely a while back, and he explained some stuff to me off-forum.

I was impressed. The methodology made sense, and the way in interpreted the two sets of numbers together was really smart, I thought.
It made sense to me.

I just think the better way to promote it would be to promote it and stop putting down others. Stand on your merits.
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Maybe you should ask Patrick if he's still standing in the same place.

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:33 PM   #59
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As far as claims go, I claim that people can learn more about horse racing in a few months with my ratings, than they could by reading a roomful of books on handicapping. You somehow think that I am operating a selection service.
Within the industry you have your public handicappers; AS, Mountainman & the like. Software vendors Jeff Platt, Ken Massa, D. Schwartz, et al. Figures folk like cj, Sheets, Thoro-Graph and I guess you.

Nowhere do I see anyone using lines like:
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Stop figuring the races, and start making consistent income from playing the consistencies that are known to the few. This Ebook can replace your paycheck... permanently.
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Horseracing just isn't that complicated. Anyone can win at this game
Making such statements is not only dishonest it's hucksterism plain & simple.

I haven't a clue why anyone would want to get into a business selling info to this demographic. They're cheap and skeptical. But there is one thing I find insufferable and that's when I see people making bold claims that are patently false. Giving a player a fanciful impression of the nature of this game to sell a product is corrupt & sordid. And then to have the gall to come in here and try and ridicule AS when you adopt a business practice like that, is, for lack of a better term, idiotic.

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Old 08-21-2010, 04:07 PM   #60
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That was a brutal card. There were only eight live tickets to the final race even with the free square and it was a carryover day. The group failed with two show parlays during the sequence, so we couldn't even get a top three finisher twice collectively. And I guarantee he had more than three of six on his tickets, just the last live one was that. Iknow for a fact the contestants had fun, did get some prizes, and have something to talk about for some time to come. So those of you casting stones are showing what kind of fools you really are.
The "group" show parlay went down....gee that's a scoop. Don't they always? Why is it always the "fun" from the play that takes over and rationalizes the money loss?
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