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Old 05-19-2016, 01:19 AM   #61
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What would you make the "money line" if it were a match race between Nyquist and Exaggerator? By money line I mean like Nyq-200, Ex +180, for example
I am not a line maker and I'm not 100% sure how to included takeout ect ect but if they match raced Nyquist wpuld have to be in the neighborhood of -500 or -600 I would think
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Old 05-19-2016, 01:21 AM   #62
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No way.

He has run the best two races of his life as a deep closer. Plus, he moves way up on the mud- his Santa Anita Derby race is good enough to win the Preakness.
He lost those races and one race on a sloppy track with a runaway leader doesn't prove anything...bottom line is Nyquist has beat him 4 times now and what he's doing isn't working
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:45 AM   #63
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I can see team Exxxagertor throw a curveball in this race...the horse used to.race much closer to the lead and has tactical speed ....maybe they come out guns blazing as did Frosted 2015 Travers? I just can't see Nyquist losing but don't be surprised if you see different tactics from Exaggerator
Good post 629,I agree that Kent may put Ex into the race, maybe down the road.
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:46 AM   #64
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No way.

He has run the best two races of his life as a deep closer. Plus, he moves way up on the mud- his Santa Anita Derby race is good enough to win the Preakness.
But his 'deep closing' has Been done by design, he's a handy sprinter type and not a slow plodder, he can be put into the race or on the lead if they want to.
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Old 05-19-2016, 07:57 AM   #65
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But his 'deep closing' has Been done by design, he's a handy sprinter type and not a slow plodder, he can be put into the race or on the lead if they want to.
Yes, he can be put into the race or on the lead AND LOSE.

Jiminy Christmas, they changed this horse's running style and HE STARTED RUNNING MUCH BETTER. And you guys want to change it back? Why? So he can go back to running Beyers in the 80's?

Of course he's going to come from behind, and he's likely to win Saturday on the off track doing it.
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Old 05-19-2016, 08:00 AM   #66
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He lost those races and one race on a sloppy track with a runaway leader doesn't prove anything...bottom line is Nyquist has beat him 4 times now and what he's doing isn't working
This is so wrong it's almost camp.

He is 1 for 2 as a deep closer, and the one he lost was a second by a short margin in the most important 3 year old race in America in which he beat 18 horses! That's a GOOD record as a deep closer. He also ran 2 of the biggest Beyers of his life in those races.

And the Santa Anita Derby win proved he loved the slop. He moved way up on it. "Runaway leader"? How come Mor Spirit or any of the other horses didn't beat him? He WON that race. Not only that, he CRUSHED the field. Saying that race "doesn't prove anything", when came back to run a great race in Louisville, is ridiculous.
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Old 05-19-2016, 01:31 PM   #67
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He lost those races and one race on a sloppy track with a runaway leader doesn't prove anything...bottom line is Nyquist has beat him 4 times now and what he's doing isn't working
And the 2004 Yankees beat the Red Sox three in a row before losing the next four. One of those races was as a 2 yo first time starter, another a wide trip in the Juvenile, a 7F sprint where Nyquist should excel if pedigree still means anything, and a closing second after having to check in the Derby.

I think Exaggerator has a strong chance here and will bet accordingly but a Nyquist victory would provide massive tote potential from the Belmont should he falter like Chrome.
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