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VigorsTheGrey · 09-05-2018, 09:31 PM

Idlib Syria: A so-called “final battle” of Assad against pro-western insurgents is now on-going...this is the real deal here...rumors by Russians of false flag chemical event to blame Assad so the western forces can engage en mass...big event here...large populations in danger ....

https://archive.org/details/USAndRus...tleLetsGetItOn

Strong candidate for game changer WW3 beginning...

VigorsTheGrey · 09-05-2018, 10:05 PM

We vote for Trump to drain the swamp and what do we get? An administration full of “Swamp Critters”....this is a great video...really tells it like it is...

If Trump goes in after false flag chem attack (highly likely) then he just owns Obama’s War on Syria...and demonstrates that he is puppet of Deep State puppet masters who control him...

...and again, from the video, WHO BENEFITS from all this carnage...? These never ending Middle East Wars...? Just another leg of the Neo-con plan unfolding, sad..

...Trump needs to NOT AUTHORIZE MILITARY IN SYRIA...otherwise he is no different than the rest of the deep state warmongers BUSH, CLINTON, OBAMA War criminals...

“Does Trump not get it, or is he fooling us...”

10,000 terrorists embedded in a population of 2.7 million civilians..

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 03:37 PM

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 04:00 PM

There will still be the issue of Kurdish gains.

We played that one poorly during this whole conflict.

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

There will still be the issue of Kurdish gains.

We played that one poorly during this whole conflict.

I’m not so sure the Russians, and the Americans and the Israelis are really true enemies...after all, over 1 million Russians have emigrated to Israel since the fall of the Wall and Soviet Empire...

...the USSR and Americans were allies in the great wars of the last century, and Jewish involvement in both the Bolshevik Revolution and it’s subsequent leadership is a historical fact beyond doubt...

...Western capitalistic monopolists we’re deeply involved promoting both the Bolshevik Revolution and later the State of Israel...

...I’m almost sure that Assad, Israel, the Saudis, Putin, Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump are all in bed together...War is simply a ruse to shuffle the cards of any given nations’ deck..

Real people dying in fake wars stirred up by greedy plutocrats and warmongers...time for people to wake up the the constant manipulation...Trump is as dirty as Obama as Clinton as Bush as Putin as Netanyahu as Merkel as yada, yada, yada...do you really think that a tycoon who became rich running hotels, casinos, pageants, and entertainment venues is the NOW SAVIOR of an AWAKENED political interregnum that we can place our “moral” hopes in...

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 05:11 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEuUEj...fauxfullscreen

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 05:43 PM

I'm just referring to missed opportunities with the Kurds.

The situation is pretty complex. At some point we are going to have to decide how to move forward with our relationship in regards to Turkey.

Its not a situation that is unique to Trump or Obama. We've just missed a lot of opportunities in the region in general.

I'm not quite sure where you're going... but I'm not getting a ticket.

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 08:54 PM

Turks are moving heavy artillery into Idlib and the surrounding areas.

Interesting watching something like this kick-off as a, mostly, sideline spectator.

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Turks are moving heavy artillery into Idlib and the surrounding areas.

Interesting watching something like this kick-off as a, mostly, sideline spectator.

This is big deal...and the MSM is almost silent...lots of behind the scenes posturing....it’s the last holdout of 10,000 Jihadis sheltered in a population of 3 million souls...

...the Jihadis have basically done the work that the West has created them for, that is, to destabilize countries to bring about regime change...but the Jihadis have wised up to the scam that they were patsys all along....so they must be eliminated...

Assad has all but won the war...but he needs to flush the rebels out and destroy them as well...It is not good for Russia politically to do the dirty work here and be viewed as aggressive in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians...so the plan of this phoney war is to use chemical weapons to “cross the red line again” and bring the Americans in to launch then major destructive barrages that unfortunately will result in heavy collateral damage...all in the now dominant and accepted theme of fighting international terrorism...

Who is responsible for the chemical attack will remain unsolved like last time but will be attributed to Assad’s forces...Assad will survive and remain in power....more blood on America...as we fight more foreign wars on phoney humanitarian basis...

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

This is big deal...and the MSM is almost silent...lots of behind the scenes posturing....it’s the last holdout of 10,000 Jihadis sheltered in a population of 3 million souls...

...the Jihadis have basically done the work that the West has created them for, that is, to destabilize countries to bring about regime change...but the Jihadis have wised up to the scam that they were patsys all along....so they must be eliminated...

Assad has all but won the war...but he needs to flush the rebels out and destroy them as well...It is not good for Russia politically to do the dirty work here and be viewed as aggressive in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians...so the plan of this phoney war is to use chemical weapons to “cross the red line again” and bring the Americans in to launch then major destructive barrages that unfortunately will result in heavy collateral damage...all in the now dominant and accepted theme of fighting international terrorism...

Who is responsible for the chemical attack will remain unsolved like last time but will be attributed to Assad’s forces...Assad will survive and remain in power....more blood on America...as we fight more foreign wars on phoney humanitarian basis...

I think the situation is much more nuanced than this. There are elements of the FSA we've been openly backing including AQ groups. That said they aren't receiving near the support the FSA elements in the SE are enjoying...nor the Kurds.

You are correct though in the Turks are essentially attempting to "human shield" the civilians in the area with their presence.

Ultimately US aims appear to be maintaining our Chemical Warfare redline and preventing a larger humanitarian crises and to that end the Turks are doing our job for us.

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I think the situation is much more nuanced than this. There are elements of the FSA we've been openly backing including AQ groups. That said they aren't receiving near the support the FSA elements in the SE are enjoying...nor the Kurds.

You are correct though in the Turks are essentially attempting to "human shield" the civilians in the area with their presence.

Ultimately US aims appear to be maintaining our Chemical Warfare redline and preventing a larger humanitarian crises and to that end the Turks are doing our job for us.

After the gas attacks, and the redline has been crossed, our humanitarian resolve will be placated by attacking shock and awe style and leveling the entire zone...making the world safe again for “democracy”...so where are the cruise missiles now...?

We know that the Russian Navy is conducting naval exercises near there now...so that might prevent a water based missile attack right now...my best guess is that the Israelis may make more jet attacks under cover of darkness, their usual MO.

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 10:42 PM

I would be surprised if the redline is crossed.

There is no reason for Assad to cross it. The war is all but won. Russia doesn't have any interest in pursuing the proxy conflict. Nor Iran. It doesn't cost the United States enough to warrant it.

Plus we don't really care if we lose this one.

VigorsTheGrey · 09-10-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I would be surprised if the redline is crossed.

There is no reason for Assad to cross it. The war is all but won. Russia doesn't have any interest in pursuing the proxy conflict. Nor Iran. It doesn't cost the United States enough to warrant it.

Plus we don't really care if we lose this one.

“In Deir Ezzor, the SDF is battling Daesh on the eastern side of the Euphrates River while Syrian regime troops backed by Russia battle them west of the river.”

SDF=Syrian Democratic Forces

I guess that Daesh is another name for ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levantine)...

WHILE IN IDLIB, we have US backed SDF forces battling Daesh(ISIL)...
And we have Assad’s regime troops backed by Russia ALSO battling Daesh(ISIL)...

So the US (with Israel) is fighting a Proxy War with Russia, while
Russia (with Syria) is fighting a Proxy Way with the US....BUT, they are BOTH fighting against the same enemy, Daesh(ISIL)...

The goal for the US, Russia, Israel, and Syria is to eliminate ISIL, which is holed-up, 10,000 of them, human shielded by a population of 3 million civilians...do I have that right...?

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1370171/middle-east

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 11:12 PM

You are missing the FSA in all of this though which is comprised of pro-Western and AQ groups. They too are fighting ISIS but their main opponent in the conflict is the Russian/Iran/Assad group.

We are supporting the SDF (Kurds) and the FSA.

The sides are constantly changing in this conflict... especially depending on who is fighting who at any given moment.

elysiantraveller · 09-10-2018, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

“In Deir Ezzor, the SDF is battling Daesh on the eastern side of the Euphrates River while Syrian regime troops backed by Russia battle them west of the river.”

SDF=Syrian Democratic Forces

I guess that Daesh is another name for ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levantine)...

WHILE IN IDLIB, we have US backed SDF forces battling Daesh(ISIL)...
And we have Assad’s regime troops backed by Russia ALSO battling Daesh(ISIL)...

So the US (with Israel) is fighting a Proxy War with Russia, while
Russia (with Syria) is fighting a Proxy Way with the US....BUT, they are BOTH fighting against the same enemy, Daesh(ISIL)...

The goal for the US, Russia, Israel, and Syria is to eliminate ISIL, which is holed-up, 10,000 of them, human shielded by a population of 3 million civilians...do I have that right...?

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1370171/middle-east

Idlib is the final holdouts of the FSA. Not ISIS. That offensive is happening in Eastern Syria. There you have the SDF which is US/Russia and Assad (for now) backed along with Iranian and Assad forces fighting ISIS.

Idlib is the FSA which contains a hodgepodge of revolutionary groups, al Queda, pro-West rebels battling Assad/Russia/Iran.

The FSA is backed predominantly by Turkey and the United States.

The SDF is mostly concerned with eliminating the radical groups of the FSA but won't be directly involved in that fighting. The more the FSA can bleed the Iranians and Assad forces the better for them.