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Newsflash of Common Sense: When something is broken beyond repair, the reasonable and sensible thing to do is walk it out to the curb or easement on garbage pick up day and then replace it with something better. By the way, this was exactly the argument the Demwits used to justify the takeover of the Health Care Industry. They claimed the system was broken beyond repair. Just sayin'....  |
The system was broken then and it is now.
I completely agree with everything you said. The issue is we failed to replace it with something better. Obamacare was terrible. It's even more terrible now. That isn't a victory.
It will be interesting in upcoming elections how Healthcare is viewed by the general electorate. Since the GOP is now responsible for the ACA.
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01-13-2018, 09:57 AM
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When something is broken beyond repair, the reasonable and sensible thing to do is walk it out to the curb or easement on garbage pick up day and then replace it with something better.
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You are singing to the choir! 
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01-13-2018, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The system was broken then and it is now.
I completely agree with everything you said. The issue is we failed to replace it with something better. Obamacare was terrible. It's even more terrible now. That isn't a victory.
It will be interesting in upcoming elections how Healthcare is viewed by the general electorate. Since the GOP is now responsible for the ACA.
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Best way forward is more jobs with health care insurance, and just get rid of it completely.
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01-13-2018, 10:38 AM
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01-13-2018, 10:49 AM
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Best way forward is more jobs with health care insurance, and just get rid of it completely.
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That is definitely part of the solution but there are a lot of entrepreneurs and self employed people out there with pre-existing conditions.
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01-13-2018, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
That is definitely part of the solution but there are a lot of entrepreneurs and self employed people out there with pre-existing conditions.
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Before ObamaCare, most states had high-risk pools, where people with pre-existing conditions could get health insurance with state subsidies.
In a high-risk pool, the subsidy comes from general tax revenues. Under ObamaCare, the subsidy comes from the young and healthy who are forced to pay for more coverage than they want or need.
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01-13-2018, 12:52 PM
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who are forced to pay for more coverage than they want or need.
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At least I have coverage for my future pregnancy. (54 year old guy)
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01-13-2018, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
The system was broken then and it is now.
I completely agree with everything you said. The issue is we failed to replace it with something better. Obamacare was terrible. It's even more terrible now. That isn't a victory.
It will be interesting in upcoming elections how Healthcare is viewed by the general electorate. Since the GOP is now responsible for the ACA.
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And the Demwits don't want to fix what they created. I can only hope and pray that ObamaCare suffers an agonizing death and fades rapidly into the category of a bad nightmare of one broken promise after another.
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01-13-2018, 12:56 PM
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You are singing to the choir! |
 You're already in the running for post of the year.
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01-13-2018, 12:59 PM
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That is definitely part of the solution but there are a lot of entrepreneurs and self employed people out there with pre-existing conditions.
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Let those people do what the folks in KY are going to do -- pay into Medicaid and get their health needs met with that system.
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01-13-2018, 01:10 PM
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Let those people do what the folks in KY are going to do -- pay into Medicaid and get their health needs met with that system.
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Last I heard, about 75% of doctors don't accept Medicaid.
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01-13-2018, 01:28 PM
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Last I heard, about 75% of doctors don't accept Medicaid.
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And easy fix. Two things: The government needs to find out why are so many doctors anti-medicaid. Then fix what's wrong.
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01-13-2018, 01:32 PM
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And easy fix. Two things: The government needs to find out why are so many doctors anti-medicaid. Then fix what's wrong.
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It doesn't pay.
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01-13-2018, 01:39 PM
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It doesn't pay.
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Sounds like a bureaucratic problem. Just need to cut through that nonsense.
Shirley, you don't want to axe medicaid when millions upon millions upon millions of poor people's lives depend on that system of quality health care, do you?
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01-13-2018, 01:42 PM
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And easy fix. Two things: The government needs to find out why are so many doctors anti-medicaid. Then fix what's wrong.
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The government knows why so many doctors are "anti-Medicaid". It's because Medicaid payments are much lower than Medicare or any insurance, and don't cover the cost of care. Doctors have this irrational opposition to losing money on patients.
The fix is easy. The feds and the states need to spend a lot more money propping up Medicaid. 
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