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07-23-2014, 12:17 AM
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Tawana Brawley Case was just a typo too
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07-25-2014, 11:11 AM
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That was not the intent. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the bill or in the legislative debate leading up to the bill indicates that the intent of the subsidies was to encourage states to set up exchanges. If Congress had wanted to do that, there were many more effective ways to accomplish the goal.
The intent of the subsidies was to subsidize. Simple as that. To subsidize to help people to purchase insurance.
The Court of Appeals of the Fourth Circuit Court of Virginia agrees with my interpretation. They unanimously upheld the subsidies just hours after the Washington court issued its ruling.
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Please watch the video at the bottom of this article and maybe you will retract your statement regarding intent.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/25/ob...get-subsidies/
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07-25-2014, 11:22 AM
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Please watch the video at the bottom of this article and maybe you will retract your statement regarding intent.
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He said "retract". 
Yeah, right after Obama ever admits responsibility for a major problem in his administration.
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07-25-2014, 11:57 AM
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Surprise!!! The architect of ObamaCare is recalibrating his statement.
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Among those who say they are surprised by the statement is Gruber himself, whom I was able to reach by phone. "I honestly don’t remember why I said that," he said, attempting to reconstruct what he might have been thinking at the time. "I was speaking off-the-cuff. It was just a mistake."
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In other words, he was for withholding subsidies to punish the states before he was against it.
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07-25-2014, 01:39 PM
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Or maybe I won't. Scratch that. I definitely won't. What someone says in an off the cuff interview does not trump what is clearly the intent of Congress. It is just nonsense to think Congress was trying to encourage states to setup exchanges by withholding subsidies from the citizens of those states. The Republican elected officials of those states don't care about their citizens and everyone knows it.
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07-25-2014, 02:00 PM
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what is clearly the intent of Congress.
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And how does one intuit that the clear intent of Congress is the absolute opposite of the clear language of Congress?
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07-25-2014, 02:58 PM
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When you are a brain-dead lackey it is easy.
That is why he can see it and you can't.
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07-25-2014, 03:29 PM
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What someone says in an off the cuff interview does not trump what is clearly the intent of Congress.
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Off the cuff? The guy said the same thing in prepared remarks in a speech at the Jewish Community Center of San Francisco on January 10, 2012.
And talking about the "intent of Congress" is lunacy in this context. If you vote for a bill without knowing what is in it, you are not expressing any intent other than marching in lock step with the party. Or I should say, the Borg.
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07-25-2014, 05:54 PM
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Or maybe I won't. Scratch that. I definitely won't. What someone says in an off the cuff interview does not trump what is clearly the intent of Congress. It is just nonsense to think Congress was trying to encourage states to setup exchanges by withholding subsidies from the citizens of those states. The Republican elected officials of those states don't care about their citizens and everyone knows it.
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He got caught again with another off-the-cuff remark saying the exact same thing 2 days later. Obama paid him $400,000 for his services. Do you think a person as intelligent as you believe Obama is would hire someone who would continually spout lies off the cuff?
Clearly the tax credits for the state exchanges only was a bad idea and now everybody is trying to unring that bell.
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07-25-2014, 07:50 PM
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Do you think a person as intelligent as you believe Obama is would hire someone who would continually spout lies off the cuff?
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Charles Lane, an editorial writer for the Washington Post, was on cable news tonight. He said that he knows this guy Gruber, and he is one of the smartest guys he knows. Much too smart, says Lane, to say something like that by mistake.
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07-26-2014, 09:13 AM
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Do you think a person as intelligent as you believe Obama is would hire someone who would continually spout lies off the cuff?
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Two words - Jay Carney.
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07-26-2014, 12:16 PM
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Two words - Jay Carney.
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You are confusing rehearsed lies with off-the-cuff lies.
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07-26-2014, 03:16 PM
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You guys just do not get it. When the courts try to determine what is meant by any part of a law, they use a number of clues. First, they try to determine what is meant by the particular sentence or phrase. If that is not clear, they try to determine the meaning by analyzing the sentence and/or phrase in conjunction with other parts of the law. If they are still unsure, they look at the debate record on the floor of Congress. This is what the Virginia Court did. It is what the dissent in the Washington D.C. court did. This is called the Chevron doctrine or the Chevron method from a case involving Chevron years back.
What they never do is look at something someone said two years later in a speech or interview. That is what is called a personal opinion and may or not be pertinent.
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07-26-2014, 03:33 PM
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You guys just do not get it. When the courts try to determine what is meant by any part of a law, they use a number of clues. First, they try to determine what is meant by the particular sentence or phrase. If that is not clear, they try to determine the meaning by analyzing the sentence and/or phrase in conjunction with other parts of the law. If they are still unsure, they look at the debate record on the floor of Congress. This is what the Virginia Court did. It is what the dissent in the Washington D.C. court did. This is called the Chevron doctrine or the Chevron method from a case involving Chevron years back.
What they never do is look at something someone said two years later in a speech or interview. That is what is called a personal opinion and may or not be pertinent.
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they look at the debate record on the floor of Congress. In regards to the ACA... a thin folder.  .
You know if they wrote bills in PLAIN ENGLISH there would be no need to decipher it's meaning. 
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07-26-2014, 03:52 PM
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What they never do is look at something someone said two years later in a speech or interview. That is what is called a personal opinion and may or not be pertinent.
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It is not evidence admissible in court, but it is valid in the court of public opinion. It is more evidence, if any was needed, that this administration lies, cheats, and violates the Constitution.
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