Sports Wagering one step closer in NJ....

[biggestal99]

Well last time in the appeals court it was 2-1 on affirming shipps ruling, with a 3 judge panel is always crapshoot, but i do like jersey,s chances :-)

Allan

[TravisVOX]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

In shipp's court no chance, but the appeals court is likely to side with nj, after all they gave jersey the way to circumvent paspa.

Allan

I've been under the impression that it was always ultimately going to come down to the appeals court again. But there is a key factor - which I'm not smart enough to explain (and really understand fully) - that changed since the last time they saw the case, which makes their decision less cut and dry.

While I don't think the chances are slim to none like some, obviously the leagues are powerful entities, so you'd have to think it'll be a tough hill to climb.

[Canarsie]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Good lord, you sure are cantankeous, not sure why, no reason for that kind of behaviour on pa.

First of all betfair nj controls

1. Account wagering in newjersey under the Tvg moniker
2. An on-line casino in jersey under betfaircasino monliker
3. The rights to offerexchange wagering in jersey

Not sure why the name is so important toyou but cie le vie

Now onto your question.

Its right there in the proposed rules for the jersey exchange.

I ask you toread the proposed rules in full and then get back to me

Allan

First off if I am out of bounds either cj or Mike would tell me pronto and that hasn't happened yet. If they did I would respect their wishes IMMEDIATELY it takes a lot of time and effort to run this board.

Now lets review stuff you have stated once again.

Originally Posted by biggestal99

I subscribe to pacer for up to date court stuff.

No links available.

Sorry c.

Allan

I provided a link in my previous post even though you state one doesn't exist. How is that possible maybe you can take a little time and explain it to me?

Here is Betfair NJ being googled and nothing comes up with that company name. Lots of betfair casino since they just switched gaming sites and was an extremely smart move imo. In fact betfair has been on a roll in a good way for quite some time I don't have any beefs with them. Not that my opinion of them means anything or is earth shattering.

You were the one who was adamant about the name 3 1/2 years ago I never even heard the name till you brought it up talking about exchange wagering. Another topic that you have never been correct about. Then again I will apologize just show me a link where I was wrong and you were right.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...q=betfair%20nj




Betfair and Golden Nugget Casino Sign Partnership for New Jersey Online Gaming Portal

http://www.legaluspokersites.com/new...ng-portal/3958



The PDF file on proposed exchange wagering. This link ( the kind of that you still REFUSE to provide) brings up the document so if you on a metered plan its 639k.

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/racing/do...119_agenda.pdf

The main part is 27 pages long and is 324k in small print.

NEW JERSEY RACING COMMISSION
Exchange Wagering
Proposed New Rules: N.J.A.C. 13:74C

http://www.nj.gov/oag/proposed_rules...e-Wagering.pdf

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Its right there in the proposed rules for the jersey exchange.

I ask you toread the proposed rules in full and then get back to me

Allan

Once again I ask you to provide a link and highlights so that others can also read your interpretation. Is it really that hard to do this so that others can be for or against this in an intelligent discussion? Nothing in the information I have read needs to be redacted so that isn't an excuse for providing it.

[biggestal99]

since I have to do it myself.

Where approved by the Commission, and where the exchange
wagering licensee demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that a
proposed interstate exchange pool is consistent with the law in all
respects, an interstate exchange pool may be offered. An interstate
exchange pool may be established in this State, in another state, or a
foreign nation. Regardless of where an interstate exchange pool is established, the unmatched exchange wagers of New Jersey account holders shall be matched with unmatched exchange wagers within the interstate exchange pool, to form identically opposing matched wagers.


This is taken directly from the NJ proposed rules for exchange wagering.

Allan

[biggestal99]

Cite 13:74C-5.10 Interstate exchange pools permissible

Allan

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by cj

My guess is the same chance on appeal, little, but I've been wrong before.

What no one has mentioned thus far is that more time is needed to fully debate the sports wagering issue not only in NJ but every other state as well. NJ did the right thing they brought the professional sports leagues into the limelight showing they aren't as prim and proper as they appear to be. Adam Silver(NBA) made some interesting comments, most that can be looked at in a positive way for future success in sports wagering becoming legalized with the professional sports leagues involved and being paid for the use of their product. Judge Shipp doesn't have the ability to deny SW in NJ he has the ability to prevent it from happening temporarily until the Third Circuit gets this back in their hands. Look for a lot of posturing from both sides and eventually a deal will be struck allowing NJ to take bets on sports events but don't look at the timeframe as being much before the summer of 2015 or even 2016.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by onefast99

What no one has mentioned thus far is that more time is needed to fully debate the sports wagering issue not only in NJ but every other state as well. NJ did the right thing they brought the professional sports leagues into the limelight showing they aren't as prim and proper as they appear to be. Adam Silver(NBA) made some interesting comments, most that can be looked at in a positive way for future success in sports wagering becoming legalized with the professional sports leagues involved and being paid for the use of their product. Judge Shipp doesn't have the ability to deny SW in NJ he has the ability to prevent it from happening temporarily until the Third Circuit gets this back in their hands. Look for a lot of posturing from both sides and eventually a deal will be struck allowing NJ to take bets on sports events but don't look at the timeframe as being much before the summer of 2015 or even 2016.

More wishful thinking. It ain't happening. Even if by some perverted reasoning NJ got a favorable ruling out the courts, Congress will pass a new law banning sports wagering. Banning sports wagering may be the only thing most democrats agree with most republicans on.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by onefast99

What no one has mentioned thus far is that more time is needed to fully debate the sports wagering issue not only in NJ but every other state as well. NJ did the right thing they brought the professional sports leagues into the limelight showing they aren't as prim and proper as they appear to be. Adam Silver(NBA) made some interesting comments, most that can be looked at in a positive way for future success in sports wagering becoming legalized with the professional sports leagues involved and being paid for the use of their product. Judge Shipp doesn't have the ability to deny SW in NJ he has the ability to prevent it from happening temporarily until the Third Circuit gets this back in their hands. Look for a lot of posturing from both sides and eventually a deal will be struck allowing NJ to take bets on sports events but don't look at the timeframe as being much before the summer of 2015 or even 2016.

Its amazing that the sports leagues are fighting so hard when this has nothing to do with their brand and has zero chance to hurt it and can only help. Everyone knows there's legal betting on these games in Nevada, and the brand is the brand and the league is perceived how the league is perceived, one more state getting betting is no factor at all in a negative way, i'm sure NJ can show pretty conclusively that the major sports leagues, especially the NFL, profit immensely from betting, legal and otherwise. You can't claim it hurts the brand unless you have some proof. Just saying it is not good enough.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Its amazing that the sports leagues are fighting so hard when this has nothing to do with their brand and has zero chance to hurt it and can only help. Everyone knows there's legal betting on these games in Nevada, and the brand is the brand and the league is perceived how the league is perceived, one more state getting betting is no factor at all in a negative way, i'm sure NJ can show pretty conclusively that the major sports leagues, especially the NFL, profit immensely from betting, legal and otherwise. You can't claim it hurts the brand unless you have some proof. Just saying it is not good enough.

I think they can point to horse racing and say " See, This is what happens to your sport if it becomes to closely identified with gambling". They think they need to keep a wall between them and gambling. I do not necessary agree with them, but I see their point. There is not anything that is so big that it can not be brought down by a "tarnished image". If the idea ever became common that games were being fixed by gamblers whether true or not, the sport would wilt on the vine. It is that image that they are scared of. No amount of reasoning will change their minds about that. Their motto is something like this "If the fix is in, the sport is out."

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I think they can point to horse racing and say " See, This is what happens to your sport if it becomes to closely identified with gambling". They think they need to keep a wall between them and gambling. I do not necessary agree with them, but I see their point. There is not anything that is so big that it can not be brought down by a "tarnished image". If the idea ever became common that games were being fixed by gamblers whether true or not, the sport would wilt on the vine. It is that image that they are scared of. No amount of reasoning will change their minds about that. Their motto is something like this "If the fix is in, the sport is out."

But isn't there enough talk about fixing? Wasn't there Tim Donaghy? How's the NBA doing, did they suffer at all? No and that was an IN HOUSE scandal. This is just betting from someone who's not at all affiliated with the league. In racing, the tracks are the ones conducting the betting, with pro sports, they're not taking the bets and they're already closely identified with fantasy sports and legal gambling in Vegas which has been going on as long as the NFL has been in existence pretty much.

If they're worried about their image, they need to work harder on the off field crimes that their employees are committing and not so much about an outside entity taking bets on their games.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I think they can point to horse racing and say " See, This is what happens to your sport if it becomes to closely identified with gambling". They think they need to keep a wall between them and gambling. I do not necessary agree with them, but I see their point. There is not anything that is so big that it can not be brought down by a "tarnished image". If the idea ever became common that games were being fixed by gamblers whether true or not, the sport would wilt on the vine. It is that image that they are scared of. No amount of reasoning will change their minds about that. Their motto is something like this "If the fix is in, the sport is out."

There have been many fixed games in sports, the most recent was the NBA scandel with Tim Donaghy I don't see the NBA wilting one bit!

[cj]

Originally Posted by onefast99

There have been many fixed games in sports, the most recent was the NBA scandel with Tim Donaghy I don't see the NBA wilting one bit!

Probably cost way too much to actually fix a pro game in relation to the amount that could be made via wagering.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by cj

Probably cost way too much to actually fix a pro game in relation to the amount that could be made via wagering.

If the referee has the final say as stewards also do the game can be fixed. When a player has the ability to change the outcome of the game like the Boston College players did in the late 70's anything can happen.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by onefast99

If the referee has the final say as stewards also do the game can be fixed. When a player has the ability to change the outcome of the game like the Boston College players did in the late 70's anything can happen.

You're right.
All games are at risk for manipulation - especially when point spreads
are involved. Is that not the case right now? How well can illegal
bookmakers, both domestic and offshore, police such activity?

You think they can blow the whistle on such games, and have
a chance of bringing those responsible to justice?
Can't happen.

Nevada has, and can do so in the future.
Such is the case with legal bookmakers.
The expansion of legal bookmaking will increase that policing network.

[ronsmac]

Originally Posted by onefast99

If the referee has the final say as stewards also do the game can be fixed. When a player has the ability to change the outcome of the game like the Boston College players did in the late 70's anything can happen.

I worked with a guy in the 90's that refereed ACC football games in the 70s and 80s and he said he bet all the time.